[2012] Entry Draft Discussion

[Shoalzie]

I'll spill it...I knew he was available all along and he was going to be my waiver draft pick. I figured he'd slide to the waiver draft because he was signed to an ELC. I would've drafted him well earlier if I knew this would've been kosher.

[Lee]

I have more for the 7th. Puttin in work, son!

[Shoalzie]

If he is NHL-signed, the player is eligible for the waiver draft and will become available as a free agent only once the waiver draft is completed.

Your witness...

[kyuss]

If he is NHL-signed, the player is eligible for the waiver draft and will become available as a free agent only once the waiver draft is completed.

Your witness...

I'll copy the whole thing then:

- eligibility
All bbkl-free players (i.e. players not owned by any BBKL team) born between january 1st 1992 and september 15th 1994 are eligible for selection in the 2012 BBKL Entry Draft.
Additionally, bbkl-free players born between january 1st 1991 and december 31st 1991 that have not played a season in N.A. when 18,19 or 20yrs old are eligible as well.
All other bbkl-free players are eligible for the waiver draft instead.

NO window available after the Entry draft to pick up draft eligible players as free agents:
a player who is still eligible for the next BBKL Entry draft may not be claimed unless he is signed by a NHL team.
If he is NHL-signed, the player is eligible for the waiver draft and will become available as a free agent only once the waiver draft is completed.
After bbkl-rosters submission, NHL-signed players still eligible for next year bbkl entry draft will not be bbkl-FAs anymore and will be reserved for the next entry draft.

Those bbkl-free players that after the 2012 entry draft are not eligible anymore for the following year Entry draft become eligible for the upcoming waiver draft no matter if they are NHL-signed or not.

The red part should be enough already.

But if you read the brown part as a whole, it should further confirm that signed players can be picked in our Entry Draft. The fact they can also be picked in the Waiver Draft doesn't mean they can't in the Entry, whereas eligible age-wise.

[Shoalzie]

Fucked over by a poorly written...great!

[kyuss]

what is equivocal in this?
"All bbkl-free players (i.e. players not owned by any BBKL team) born between january 1st 1992 and september 15th 1994 are eligible for selection in the 2012 BBKL Entry Draft."

Doesn't "All" mean "everyone of them"?

[Mike]

what is equivocal in this?
"All bbkl-free players (i.e. players not owned by any BBKL team) born between january 1st 1992 and september 15th 1994 are eligible for selection in the 2012 BBKL Entry Draft."

Doesn't "All" mean "everyone of them"?

The fact that you don't see the ambiguity in this issue is laughable.

[Shoalzie]

Since when could you draft a signed player in the entry draft? Show me someone who has done it before...

I'm not pissed at ya, Lee...you got over on a poorly written rule.

[kyuss]

what is equivocal in this?
"All bbkl-free players (i.e. players not owned by any BBKL team) born between january 1st 1992 and september 15th 1994 are eligible for selection in the 2012 BBKL Entry Draft."

Doesn't "All" mean "everyone of them"?

The fact that you don't see the ambiguity in this issue is laughable.

please point me out where the ambiguity lies

[Mike]

what is equivocal in this?
"All bbkl-free players (i.e. players not owned by any BBKL team) born between january 1st 1992 and september 15th 1994 are eligible for selection in the 2012 BBKL Entry Draft."

Doesn't "All" mean "everyone of them"?

The fact that you don't see the ambiguity in this issue is laughable.

please point me out where the ambiguity lies

Scott already has.

[Sensfanjosh]

Not gonna lie I understood the rules same as Scott makes more sense for players who are waiver draft eligible to not be entry draft eligible. However the red brown part highlighted by Mik above does anticipate this situation so despite my own understanding (or assumption) gotta side with Lee and Mik on this one.

[Shoalzie]

I'm not going to protest...Lee wins for being more clever than me. I'll have a big hole in my Oilers goalie depth chart for the time being but I guess I can focus on a different player in the waiver draft now.

[Lee]

I'm not certain that ambiguity is the word you are looking for, mike. The phrase is written in no uncertain terms.

[Mike]

I'm not certain that ambiguity is the word you are looking for, mike. The phrase is written in no uncertain terms.

It certainly is the word I am looking for. Though I agree the pick should stand I disagree that it is written in "no uncertain terms."

Without Mik's helpful colour-coded contextualization we cannot be certain who the he is in, "If he is NHL-signed, the player is eligible for the waiver draft and will become available as a free agent only once the waiver draft is completed."

[Tony]

for a change of pace

The Montreal Canadiens are pleased to select from USA-18 of the USHL:

Matthew Grzelcyk

... BITCH!

[Lee]

" After the entry draft" comes before that statement, meaning rules for signed players after the entry draft. Not during. Misinterpreted, misunderstood. Not ambigious.

[Shoalzie]

Ambigious is a fair term...the rule can have more than one interpretation. I see the rule and I omitted the idea of drafting Bunz until the waiver draft because he signed his ELC with the Oilers. Lee reads the rule and he goes ahead and gets quite a coup.

I'll be the first to say I wouldn't punish him for it...just re-write the rule. You bring in the topic of waiver draft eligilibility with entry draft eligibility, it just muddies up the water. What stops someone from drafting a college free agent if he's draft age eligible?

[Tony]

oh, and Bunz?



huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh

[Shoalzie]

" After the entry draft" comes before that statement, meaning rules for signed players after the entry draft. Not during. Misinterpreted, misunderstood. Not ambigious.

Bunz signed his entry level contract in March...from that moment on, the assumption was he went from entry draft eligible to waiver draft eligible because you can't draft signed rookies in the entry draft. But I guess you can now...

[Mike]

" After the entry draft" comes before that statement, meaning rules for signed players after the entry draft. Not during. Misinterpreted, misunderstood. Not ambigious.

Poorly formatted and inexact. Therefore ambiguous.