if i were you, i'd hold onto himKezia wroteCOLONIn any event, I'm not trading him unless it's for an over payment. The offers I'm getting are. I have no problem holding onto him if they weren't.
dominated...terrorized the OHL? haha not exactly.MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON I'm a 67's fan...I've been watching this kid for over 4 seasons now, as opposed to reading outdated scouting reports. Your comparison to Matt Stajan is idiotic for a variety of reasons, the first and most apparent of which is skill; Logan Couture has elite level skill, and it is apparent in his point totals throughout his career. If not for his injury history, specifically in his draft season, Logan Couture would have likely gone 1st overall in 07. In fact, he was the consensus top selection in the mid term rankings, prior to his second concussion.
Since being drafted, he has done nothing but dominate, he terrorized the OHL, consistently scoring at over a ppg clip, and this past season scored at the highest ppg clip (in over 40 games) by any AHL rookie (21 and under) since the lockout. Before his first call up (which disrupted his pace) he was on pace for close to 100 points in the AHL.
Logan Couture is far from a lock, and still very much a question mark, but he is a question mark that has lived up to the hype post draft and delievered in the AHL, if we are to assume your logic is correct than would it not make sense to deal a package of unknowns that are lesser in talent and with a lesser track record, as opposed to an established NHL'er...?
Furthermore, don't going throwing around the HF tag...Especially after comparing Logan Couture to Matt Stajan...
I'm almost emberassed for you right now...Citing stats as proof for peformance...Really Anton, Really? Logan Couture is a dominant three zone player, one who was constantly praised by Kilrea for his character and leadership. For most of his career in Ottawa he had no one to play with, and was heavily relied on, not only to score and make those around him better, but also to defend the defensive zone, an aspect of the game that is greatly emphasized by Brian Kilrea, particulaurly from his centerman. Further consider that Logan Couture suffered through severe injuries in the early portion of his career, and it's easy to understand why you cannot judge Logan Couture's potential merely on his OHL statistics, although all things considered they were fantastic, and this past season he more than silenced his critics with one of the best AHL performances from a rookie in some time.anton wroteCOLONdominated...terrorized the OHL? haha not exactly.
87 points after he was drafted. does that mean greg mckegg, mike cazzola, jordan skellett, chris mackinnon dominated and terrorized the OHL this year? not exactly...
stajan put up better numbers his final OHL year in fact.
and couture taking pavelski's spot? not happening any time soon bro. fact is he's stuck in a 3rd line role for the immediate and foreseeable future.
ISS had him #7 NA at midterm and CSS had him #11NA midterm...nowhere near concensus overall #1...
let me know you want me to stop punching holes in your arguement though.
if i'm kez, im taking the bluechip prospect, the second solid prospect, and the 1st rounder and running for my life.
god forbid we assess a player's performance based on stats...IN A FANTASY HOCKEY LEAGUE.MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
I'm almost emberassed for you right now...Citing stats as proof for peformance...Really Anton, Really? Logan Couture is a dominant three zone player, one who was constantly praised by Kilrea for his character and leadership. For most of his career in Ottawa he had no one to play with, and was heavily relied on, not only to score and make those around him better, but also to defend the defensive zone, an aspect of the game that is greatly emphasized by Brian Kilrea, particulaurly from his centerman. Further consider that Logan Couture suffered through severe injuries in the early portion of his career, and it's easy to understand why you cannot judge Logan Couture's potential merely on his OHL statistics, although all things considered they were fantastic, and this past season he more than silenced his critics with one of the best AHL performances from a rookie in some time.
There is a reaosn Logan Couture went 9th overall, and was ranked top 5 for much of the year, meanwhile Stajan and Mckegg were forcasted as second and third round picks. Your inability to distinguish this is puzziling to say the very least.
As for the rankings, perhaps I got the season wrong, but I distinctly remember Couture mentioned in the running for top 5 prior to his concussion, as well as being a strong consideration for #1 with Espo and Cherepanov. Regardless, it was much higher than the projected selctions of Matt Stajan and Gregg Mckegg.
Anyways, I'm done arguing, anyone stupid enough to compare Couture to Stajan/Mckegg, and further discredit Couture based on point totals alone is not worth the time of day.
MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON I'm a 67's fan...I've been watching this kid for over 4 seasons now, as opposed to reading outdated scouting reports. Your comparison to Matt Stajan is idiotic for a variety of reasons, the first and most apparent of which is skill; Logan Couture has elite level skill, and it is apparent in his point totals throughout his career. If not for his injury history, specifically in his draft season, Logan Couture would have likely gone 1st overall in 07. In fact, he was the consensus top selection in the mid term rankings, prior to his second concussion.
Since being drafted, he has done nothing but dominate, he terrorized the OHL, consistently scoring at over a ppg clip, and this past season scored at the highest ppg clip (in over 40 games) by any AHL rookie (21 and under) since the lockout. Before his first call up (which disrupted his pace) he was on pace for close to 100 points in the AHL.
Logan Couture is far from a lock, and still very much a question mark, but he is a question mark that has lived up to the hype post draft and delievered in the AHL, if we are to assume your logic is correct than would it not make sense to deal a package of unknowns that are lesser in talent and with a lesser track record, as opposed to an established NHL'er...?
Furthermore, don't going throwing around the HF tag...Especially after comparing Logan Couture to Matt Stajan...
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(9:31:36PM): watching them lose games like this in regulation is chicken soup for the soul bitch monkey
It's one thing to assess an aspect of a players game on stats, but quite another entirely to judge his whole game on goals and assists.anton wroteCOLONgod forbid we assess a player's performance based on stats...IN A FANTASY HOCKEY LEAGUE.
are you even thinking anymore?
anton wroteCOLONit depends on how you value whats involved...
i think if you attach names to these assets, your tone will change...
when i hear blue chip defensive prospect i think along the lines of alex pietrangelo, jakub kindl, karl alzner etc. upper-mid tier defensive prospect maybe a jesse blacker and a first we'll say right smack dab in the middle at #15.
pietrangelo + blacker + 15th overall is overpayment for a guy like couture. big time. plain and simple.
even if the pick were 20th overall...still overpayment.
now whether kez actually means 'bluechipper' or is just posturing remains to be seen.
He's obviously not reffering to Alex Pieterangelo, he is arguably the best prospect in the world right now, and could easily garner Couture + alone. I would easily deal Kindl/Alzner + Blacker + 15th...And FTR I have heard the offers, and don't beleive they are substantial enough.anton wroteCOLONit depends on how you value whats involved...
i think if you attach names to these assets, your tone will change...
when i hear blue chip defensive prospect i think along the lines of alex pietrangelo, jakub kindl, karl alzner etc. upper-mid tier defensive prospect maybe a jesse blacker and a first we'll say right smack dab in the middle at #15.
pietrangelo + blacker + 15th overall is overpayment for a guy like couture. big time. plain and simple.
even if the pick were 20th overall...still overpayment.
now whether kez actually means 'bluechipper' or is just posturing remains to be seen.
bills09 wroteCOLONwoot for the best prospect in the world.
HF, and THN, not to mention that he was considered one of, if not the top defenceman taken in 08. In fact many scouts remarked that he develop into the best player taken in 08 if he lived up to his potential. After his great season last year, both at the CHL level and internationally it is not a stretch to call him the best prospect in the world (today), in fact I would argue anything else is a stretch...At worst he is in the mix with MSP, Hall and Seguin.facey wroteCOLONLOL.... I think thats a bit of an exaggeration.... & please don't reference the retarded rankings at hockey's future.
I wouldn't deal Kadri/MSP for anyone, so that point is irrelevant really. As for Subban, Kulikov, Karlsson, Sbisa, Fowler and Franson, only Carlson and Fowler have the pedigree and upside to even be mentioned in the same sentence, the other defenceman are very good, but their ceilings just aren't as high. Especially Sbisa, and Franson, they shouldn't be mentioned in the same sentence as far as I'm concerned.facey wroteCOLONI guess we'll have to agree to disagree on his top-top-top end prospect ranking, and let it come out in the wash (aka next season), no doubt he has all the tools to be a great NHL d-man. Would you trade Kadri/MSP/Seguin/Hall for him? IMO Subban, Kulikov, Karlsson, Carlson, Sbisa, Fowler & Franson are all in the argument for top defensive prospect, depending which play you value most (dominating juniors, AHL, worlds, solid NHL play, olympic play, etc.) and how you value years of development (more room to improve, closer to ready).
ps-> no doubt he's a better prospect then Logan, and he's in a better situation.
