The Ryan Suter has no value aka value for puck movers thread

[bills09]

but is the question not that we overvalue scrub defencemen who hit decent periphs?

[hong57]

but is the question not that we overvalue scrub defencemen who hit decent periphs?

scrub d won't hit decent periphs.....

[KapG]

but is the question not that we overvalue scrub defencemen who hit decent periphs?

Maybe aome people do. That's their problem. If say each team has a top 6 d that means that there are about 180 dmen (obv more but 6 * 30 is just simpler). Now by shooka own admission iirc he wants some new d cat because there are like 15 or so offensive dmen who are undervalued. Why is that importAnt? That's and extremeley small percentage...

[KapG]

Not only does it make those elite d more value but also decreases the value of bottom pairing periph heavy d men, i.e. those who skate 10 minutes but get 7 hits in those 10 minutes.

I'm fine with whatever the league decides as I'm sure the changes won't be taking place for this coming season, and those capable of making such changes will give this the proper thought before making a decision.

I don't know of many dmen who play 10 min a night. There are maybe one or two who play about 16 or 17 a night that rack up the hits. Not many though.

Any dman who also pks (which most top pairing guys do) has very fair value in this league. We are trying to add a new category that's going to mKe those dmen like yandle and campbell more valuable which imo is retarded. These guys have limited value in the NHL because of their skillsets and contracts.

[KapG]

but is the question not that we overvalue scrub defencemen who hit decent periphs?

scrub d won't hit decent periphs.....

True say!!

[shooker]

This doesn't only help 15 or so Dmen.... That is a gross understatement. It helps all dmen, but favors ones with a more offensive side. It would be one stat out of all of them, that would help offensive dmen see some value lol. I don't know why I bother lol.

[Robin Hood]

This doesn't only help 15 or so Dmen.... That is a gross understatement. It helps all dmen, but favors ones with a more offensive side. It would be one stat out of all of them, that would help offensive dmen see some value lol. I don't know why I bother lol.

I think majority of the league is with you lol. Kyle just hates any sort of change.

[KapG]

No I'm just a bit narrow minded and can be diffclicult at times and also dislike change. Your thoughts are good for the league. I still don't think pure offensive dmen should gain anymore valur than they already have. Just my own opinion.

[KapG]

Ahh see. shiv knows. Haha

[Robin Hood]

And then you claim to like the Wire? (I'm 3 seasons in btw lol that show is all about bureaucracy and lack of change among other things)

In this instance, I think #1 d-men like Campbell, Boyle, Suter, Doughty are far less valuable in BBKL than in real life and that discrepancy is greater than any other group of players. Whereas in real life, landing a Doughty over a Matt Greene would change the fortunes of a franchise, here it barely makes a difference. Even Erik Karlsson with his point-per-game pace can be compared to some of the top h2h d-men in terms of value added at the moment. I say this as a Brooks Orpik/Kevin Klein owner - they should not help a team win close to as much as EK.

That being said, we can't completely change everything. What we can do is what Shook is suggesting. Add 1 category that adds SOME value to these players. That kind of change is good.

[Mike]

Not gonna speak to Suter and DD, but I don't think Campbell or Boyle are more valuable in the real NHL, at least trade wise.

[Robin Hood]

Not gonna speak to Suter and DD, but I don't think Campbell or Boyle are more valuable in the real NHL, at least trade wise.

Vs Matt Greene?

[shooker]

You might be right about their trade value, but there is no denying their impact. Campbell does have a horrible contract lol. Shiv is bang on with what i am suggesting, just one cat change to help the balance.

[Mike]

I think Matt Greene would fetch more in an NHL trade than either of them, sure. At least in a 64.3mil cap world.

[Mike]

You might be right about their trade value, but there is no denying their impact. Campbell does have a horrible contract lol. Shiv is bang on with what i am suggesting, just one cat change to help the balance.

Agreed that Campbell helps his NHL team more than his BBKL.

[Robin Hood]

You might be right about their trade value, but there is no denying their impact. Campbell does have a horrible contract lol. Shiv is bang on with what i am suggesting, just one cat change to help the balance.

Agreed that Campbell helps his NHL team more than his BBKL.

Yup. All I was getting at. Also SOs are really redundant. Almost a useless category IMO.

[kimmer]

Campbell helps MY team better than he does FLORIDA LOL

[shooker]

Campbell helps MY team better than he does FLORIDA LOL

lol no chance. his contact is the reason his value is low, he is actually an elite dman in real life. cant blame him for taking the money and he did win a Stanley cup, I doubt he cares that his cap makes him impossible to move lol.

[Robin Hood]

Campbell helps MY team better than he does FLORIDA LOL

Lol no Campbell is way too valuable to FLA. His contract just sucks so he can't be moved.

[bma]

Not sure I get the argument so someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I think there is already a ton of value with owning an offensive defenceman. Shook, you mentioned it yourself. There were only 19 defenceman who had more than 40 points last year..that makes them a relatively rare commodity. You compare that to 50+ point forwards..which are way more abundant. If you are getting 50-60pts from a defenceman, you don't need the 80+ point forwards to do well in the points categories. You can get away with having forwards who max out at 50 points for example and still be competitive in the points categories. On the otherhand, if you just role with periph defenceman who max out at 20 points as your starting 6 defenceman, you would need 80-90 pt forwards to stay competitive in the points categories week to week. Having offensive defenceman on your team allows you to spend your resources on forwards who get periphs rather than points and your team could still be competitive offensively.

Not sure if I explained it as clearly as I could..haha