The Good, the bad and the Flyers

[The BBKL Insider]

Off to a 1- 7 start. And from what i've read the players just aren't playing. Their goalies haven't played overly bad (Mason's actually been good with a 2.3 GAA and a .923 sv%)

All of Holmgreen's bad UFA signings may have caught up with him, As leaf fans we tend to over-value wins and complain too much over loses, but the flyers have played worse than most AHL teams and no one is moving or gelling on the ice.

Any opinions on the issues? i know a few of you guys really love some of their players (Nick and giroux, Josh and vinny, Kyle and Schenn)

give you thoughts on the flyers and what can fix them.

[anton]

this season has been so satisfying so far. leafs doing well. rangers and flyers playing terribly.

[The BBKL Insider]

i do quite dislike the flyers, rangers and devils..and enjoy seeing all 3 of them lose.

[Robin Hood]

Flyers are not nearly as good as people make them out to be - that is, I don't think they're underachieving at all.

Simmonds is not a 60-70 point winger
Schenn is not a top pairing d-man
Neither is Timonen anymore
Giroux is not playing like a top line C
Brayden Schenn was supposed to improve but he hasn't really become much better than 2 years ago (maybe marginally)
Voracek is NOT a point-per-game winger in the NHL

The other day, I heard a very good analysis of why EDM is "bad" this year. It said that many players on EDM are mis-cast. E.g. Ference is not a top pairing d-man. Schultz is not a #1 puck-moving d-man.

I think a similar problem plagues the flyers. A bunch of players assigned to roles that are too big for them. Giroux is probably the only player on that assigned the correct role and even he hasn't played well.

[Nick]

They'll make some changes, and be fine.

They lost a lot of 'how to win with the pronger injury and trading of Richards and carter. IMO they road a wave of exceptional chemistry immediately following the deals - but it's those same guys that dig deep when shit is rough.


Healthy Hartnell, someone with chemistry with G, and streit + timmonen playing like they can and this team will be a handful.

Put Schenn back to C, that's his natural position and he'll be an awesome 2nd liner for them, elite even if paired with 2 other capable guys - Voracek and Simmons. Hartnell and vinny with G is a top line to be scared of, and depth Centres of couturier and talbot are made for a deep run.

They got the right pieces - wrong spots, lacking motivation and a team identity. Both keepers have played 'well enough' that if the team was out performing the other they should have some more wins.

Watching them, luke Schenn looks to be developing nicely, giroux and Schenn both make a lot of awesome plays - not resulting in goals, that wouldn't continue.

[shooker]

I think you nailed it with the whole identity thing and they don't look like they have any leadership either imo. Right now they are just a bunch of guys who accidently wore the same shirt that night. I don't know how to right their ship but bringing a couple more vets and hiring a strong character coach would be a great start. I agree with Mason being fine too. It is odd that when they finally start getting some passable goaltending the guys in front stop playing. I expect a Holmgren firing rather soon but I don't think it is his fault, hard to run a team when the owner is making the trades for you lol.

they have too many good players to suck this bad, so I think the problem has to be off the ice. but who really knows what's going on there.

[Tony]

Flyers are not nearly as good as people make them out to be - that is, I don't think they're underachieving at all.

Simmonds is not a 60-70 point winger
Schenn is not a top pairing d-man
Neither is Timonen anymore
Giroux is not playing like a top line C
Brayden Schenn was supposed to improve but he hasn't really become much better than 2 years ago (maybe marginally)
Voracek is NOT a point-per-game winger in the NHL

The other day, I heard a very good analysis of why EDM is "bad" this year. It said that many players on EDM are mis-cast. E.g. Ference is not a top pairing d-man. Schultz is not a #1 puck-moving d-man.

I think a similar problem plagues the flyers. A bunch of players assigned to roles that are too big for them. Giroux is probably the only player on that assigned the correct role and even he hasn't played well.

[Lee]

Unlike the BBKL Flyers

[Arian The Insider]

Signing bryzgalov was too costly (Richards and carter traded) and he turned out to be awful for them

[The BBKL Insider]

i've been saying since last year they need a coach like Marc Crawford, Pat Roy, etc...

they need a players coach, when you have all those 'big' personalities you can't bring these hard nosed guys and expect to get results

[cliff11]

Giroux needs to play better and start putting up points

[Shep]

Giroux's wrist surgery will hinder him all season IMO.

[Nick]

wrist?