Philly's new block

[Lee]

Currently trading the following for picks:

Stephane Chaput
Sean Sullivan
Cederick Desjardins
Cody Ferriero
Marc Antoine Pouliot
Dylan Reese
Richard Clune
Stefan Legein
Austin Levi
Tyson Sexsmith

And I have the rights to Pavel Brendl, Vesa Toskala, Darcy Tucker, and Adam Mair.

[Nick]

I love when people list faltering prospects and request picks higher then their original location... especially with roster submission date approaching and its time to cut prospects....LOL

[Lee]

Thats cool, oreskovich and jackman are NHL forwards, Kana will be this year, Des was a top 3 goalie in the AHL, sullivan was one of the top offensive Ds... keller and Taylor are nobodies.

[Lee]

Higher than their original location?

Ores was a 2nd and is in the NHL and will get more opportunity in a rebuilding Florida team.
Taylor was a 6th
Chaput was a 5th and had 40 points in the AHL last year
Kana was a 2nd
Keller was undrafted and had 68 points in the AHL last year
Jackman was a 2nd
Sullivan was a 9th (lol?) and had 50 points as a dman in the AHL last year
Deshjadrins was undrafted and a top 3 goalie in the AHL.

So there are 3 guys, 2 of which were undrafted, with asking prices of where they were drafted

[Mike]

Oreskevich was traded to Vancouver. How the hell does he make the Canucks when Shirokov/Hodgson/Schroeder won't??? As I said, worth a 6th *maybe*. Better stuff'll come free on the waiver wire.

[Lee]

I traded Shiro because he is 24 and still hasn't made the NHL. With the depth in Vancouver, he isn't any time soon. A 6th round pick will probably never make the NHL, same with anything past the 3rd round.

[Mike]

I traded Shiro because he is 24 and still hasn't made the NHL. With the depth in Vancouver, he isn't any time soon. A 6th round pick will probably never make the NHL, same with anything past the 3rd round.

This seems somewhat non-sequitorial to me. What does this have to do with Oreskovich being worth a 2nd round pick since he's an NHLer on a team he most definitely won't crack? Are you saying that he has a better chance then say Cody Hodgson and Jordan Schroeder, both of whom are likely cuts?

I'm not at all high on Shirokov either, but I'd take him any day over Oreskovich.

[Nick]

I traded Shiro because he is 24 and still hasn't made the NHL. With the depth in Vancouver, he isn't any time soon. A 6th round pick will probably never make the NHL, same with anything past the 3rd round.

round of selection really only impacts how long or how early a shot your given...

Shiro is much much more likely to make the NHL as an impact player then everyone you have listed.

CD is behind Price... who is younger? and CP is going to get a long leash this year IMO.

anyways, when your trading block is meh to shit prospects its silly to ask for over-payment, it won't even garner solid offers.

[Lee]

I traded Shiro because he is 24 and still hasn't made the NHL. With the depth in Vancouver, he isn't any time soon. A 6th round pick will probably never make the NHL, same with anything past the 3rd round.

round of selection really only impacts how long or how early a shot your given...

Shiro is much much more likely to make the NHL as an impact player then everyone you have listed.

CD is behind Price... who is younger? and CP is going to get a long leash this year IMO.

anyways, when your trading block is meh to shit prospects its silly to ask for over-payment, it won't even garner solid offers.

So draft position only matters when it favours your position? You just said that I am asking for a price that is past their round, when these guys are closer to the NHL than the picks I am asking for.

[Lee]

I traded Shiro because he is 24 and still hasn't made the NHL. With the depth in Vancouver, he isn't any time soon. A 6th round pick will probably never make the NHL, same with anything past the 3rd round.

This seems somewhat non-sequitorial to me. What does this have to do with Oreskovich being worth a 2nd round pick since he's an NHLer on a team he most definitely won't crack? Are you saying that he has a better chance then say Cody Hodgson and Jordan Schroeder, both of whom are likely cuts?

I'm not at all high on Shirokov either, but I'd take him any day over Oreskovich.

Oreskovich is an NHL player. He was drafted in the 2nd round. Hodgson is a great prospect being held together with duct tape. Schroeder isn't NHL ready.

[Nick]

They are further from their draft year then the picks your asking for, yes thats correct.


Your right, clearly you'll get these asking prices w/o issue. LOL.

[Mike]

I traded Shiro because he is 24 and still hasn't made the NHL. With the depth in Vancouver, he isn't any time soon. A 6th round pick will probably never make the NHL, same with anything past the 3rd round.

This seems somewhat non-sequitorial to me. What does this have to do with Oreskovich being worth a 2nd round pick since he's an NHLer on a team he most definitely won't crack? Are you saying that he has a better chance then say Cody Hodgson and Jordan Schroeder, both of whom are likely cuts?

I'm not at all high on Shirokov either, but I'd take him any day over Oreskovich.

Oreskovich is an NHL player. He was drafted in the 2nd round. Hodgson is a great prospect being held together with duct tape. Schroeder isn't NHL ready.

One-way contracts (12): Henrik, Daniel, Raymond, Malhotra, Samuelsson, Burrows, Torres, Hansen, Hordichuk, Glass, Rypien, Perrault

Two-way contracts ahead of him (5): Tambellini, Hodgson, Shirokov, Schroeder, Bolduc

[Lee]

Hey, I'm all for restarting this to do a complete draft so teams start off at an even level if you'd like. If they aren't moved, they aren't moved. I'm trying to work with what I have. People always say how valuable their 4th liners are and that they are worth multiple early picks. Apparently that's just not the case when they belong to someone else.

[Mike]

Hey, I'm all for restarting this to do a complete draft so teams start off at an even level if you'd like. If they aren't moved, they aren't moved. I'm trying to work with what I have. People always say how valuable their 4th liners are and that they are worth multiple early picks. Apparently that's just not the case when they belong to someone else.

But you have to give to get... And c'mon, your expectations are just way too high for these players.

[Nick]

Yea, bottom liners like Tyler Sloan, Darcy Hordichuk, Jay McClement, Jay McKee, Ian Lapierre, etc are worth well more then late picks... but they are proven bottom liners who do well in various non-offensive stats.

[Lee]

Hey, I'm all for restarting this to do a complete draft so teams start off at an even level if you'd like. If they aren't moved, they aren't moved. I'm trying to work with what I have. People always say how valuable their 4th liners are and that they are worth multiple early picks. Apparently that's just not the case when they belong to someone else.

But you have to give to get... And c'mon, your expectations are just way too high for these players.

You didn't address either of my points of people over valuing their own pieces while undervaluing others , or about a restart so the current group of GMs are at the same level.

Bad GMs were allowed to make bad moves, and it's the new blood who have to suffer for it.

I'll agree to one thing, you have to give to get. It just seems that certain people do all of the giving while certain others do all the getting.

[shooker]

I agree that this league should have started with a fantasy draft (although its a cool thought to take over a single nhl team and has been fun) but it is wayyyy too late to start again lol.

[Nick]

HMMM.... LOL @ new blood & restart; sorry you were invited into the league LOL, it's really time to stop complaining about it.

Needing to re-tool means you have more moves to make to improve your team, & more options! You should ask Shiv, his team is so elite its almost impossible to make a trade that improves his roster!

[Lee]

Yea, bottom liners like Tyler Sloan, Darcy Hordichuk, Jay McClement, Jay McKee, Ian Lapierre, etc are worth well more then late picks... but they are proven bottom liners who do well in various non-offensive stats.

So is Tim Jackman. Oreskovich is atleast 5 years younger than anyone you mentioned. Infact.. almost all of the players on my block are. Desj was a top 3 goalie in the AHL. Sullivan probably isn't worth a 2nd, but he is easily worth a a chance 3rd. Kana will be in the NHL this year. Chaput is an average prospect.

[Mike]

You didn't address either of my points of people over valuing their own pieces while undervaluing others , or about a restart so the current group of GMs are at the same level.

Bad GMs were allowed to make bad moves, and it's the new blood who have to suffer for it.

I'll agree to one thing, you have to give to get. It just seems that certain people do all of the giving while certain others do all the getting.

Are you, a GM for under three months, seriously suggesting we restart the league for your convenience? You were not forced to take over Tampa when you did, and you are most certainly not owed anything by the more successful franchises. Besides, would you really want to take over a powerhouse? It would be boring.

As for people overvaluing their players? Don't trade for those pieces, plain and simple. The key to being a good GM is finding an imbalance in value vs perceived value and take advantage of it. Nobody's going to trade for these guys on your block because it's a scrap heap with box-store pricing.

Put some non-shit up there, even with price tags and I guarantee you'll get a better response. There's no way you'll improve your roster without taking some big risks.