the WPG goalies case (4gp limitation)

[lightupdadarkness]

Lol. The only reason I even care is because if I had started 2 starting goalies mik would have posted that CBA link above and been fighting for me to void all 4 of my starts. I would almost guarantee this is a personal thing rather than what he actually thinks.

that's an interesting proposition, considering my personal stance would be to take away Lehto's SO (and..) whereas for example shep (who was your lighter when you took fire after having wrong cap hits on your roster, don't know who is this time around) suggested Luke's G stats should be fine as they were in RS.

I'm think you guys make a cute couple <3

[Matthew]

Steve looks like he is gonna win the week anyways at this point.

However, maybe a new new CBA should be made this offseason so the rules are in writing, kinks from prior CBA rules have likely been somewhat realized, and given it looks likely we will be moving to an 82 game season.

[The BBKL Insider]

I haven't even checked the scores lol. Im just bickering because.

I.already know.mik said he thinks luke should lose the shutoit and win.

[Sensfanjosh]

One question I'd have for Mik, who is favor of a change at this point apparently, is if there wasn't this issue this playoff is the change something you'd be looking into? Or is this just a convenient time? The reason I ask is if, as you have claimed, this is a long-standing concern of yours why is it that its only being discussed once it has become and issue? It would appear that one of two scenarios is true then, either the issue hasn't been considered a long-standing problem and thus there is no real reason to change it now, or its been considered an issue but wasn't determined to be a priority and is something that could be changed in the offseason when any concerns about biases etc. can be left aside. Point is, imo changes like this mid-week seem to be setting a dangerous and unreasonable precedent.

[kyuss]

Steve looks like he is gonna win the week anyways at this point.

However, maybe a new new CBA should be made this offseason

You're welcome, we have been saying this same thing every year since I've been here. Never happened (the one called new CBA was never a complete, updated thing, and was unfortunately left there under that name only adding to the confusion), for several reasons.

If steve wins it anyway it's a good thing, but that might mean nothing gets decided and announced, once again, and the same problem comes back again in the future just like happened today.

[Matthew]

Steve looks like he is gonna win the week anyways at this point.

However, maybe a new new CBA should be made this offseason

You're welcome, we have been saying this same thing every year since I've been here. Never happened (the one called new CBA was never a complete, updated thing, and was unfortunately left there under that name only adding to the confusion), for several reasons.

If steve wins it anyway it's a good thing, but that might mean nothing gets decided and announced, once again, and the same problem comes back again in the future just like happened today.

How many years have you been on the cc? I would think it would be your guys job to make it. People can say all they want, but action would be on cc or administrators.

Hell, I'll do the write-up if no one is willing. But, I wouldn't want to be in charge of deciding rules, as I think that should be a league wide discussion.

The CBA is pretty solid, but clearly needs explicit clarifications and tweaks to avoid situations such as the current. Also, a few adds for the new 82 game format.

[Fraser]

I also think that a new completed CBA is essential. Especially for newer members trying to understand all of the rules of the league.

If there is any way I can assist in getting that done I can lend a hand.

[The BBKL Insider]

I bet luke hasnt even seen this thread lol

[kyuss]

One question I'd have for Mik, who is favor of a change at this point apparently, is if there wasn't this issue this playoff is the change something you'd be looking into? Or is this just a convenient time? The reason I ask is if, as you have claimed, this is a long-standing concern of yours why is it that its only being discussed once it has become and issue? It would appear that one of two scenarios is true then, either the issue hasn't been considered a long-standing problem and thus there is no real reason to change it now, or its been considered an issue but wasn't determined to be a priority and is something that could be changed in the offseason when any concerns about biases etc. can be left aside. Point is, imo changes like this mid-week seem to be setting a dangerous and unreasonable precedent.

you are talking like if this was some perfect organization run by paid guys who efficiently do their job.

It's obviously not the case. This is quite the mess where guys volunteer their time, and very often things are not finalized.

So what happens is issues arise when they present themselves, and get forgotten afterwards, especially issues that take yrs to happen again.

The discussion I referenced previously didn't take place in the off-season, but just like now during playoffs when the problem surfaced. Wiping out all G stats didn't appear to be the preferred route, and I don't think G stats have ever been wiped out either. You're talking about changes, but to what? it's the rule supposedly in effect the thing we don't know.

[Matthew]

One question I'd have for Mik, who is favor of a change at this point apparently, is if there wasn't this issue this playoff is the change something you'd be looking into? Or is this just a convenient time? The reason I ask is if, as you have claimed, this is a long-standing concern of yours why is it that its only being discussed once it has become and issue? It would appear that one of two scenarios is true then, either the issue hasn't been considered a long-standing problem and thus there is no real reason to change it now, or its been considered an issue but wasn't determined to be a priority and is something that could be changed in the offseason when any concerns about biases etc. can be left aside. Point is, imo changes like this mid-week seem to be setting a dangerous and unreasonable precedent.

you are talking like if this was some perfect organization run by paid guys who efficiently do their job.

It's obviously not the case. This is quite the mess where guys volunteer their time, and very often things are not finalized.

So what happens is issues arise when they present themselves, and get forgotten afterwards, especially issues that take yrs to happen again.

The discussion I referenced previously didn't take place in the off-season, but just like now during playoffs when the problem surfaced. Wiping out all G stats didn't appear to be the preferred route, and I don't think G stats have ever been wiped out either. You're talking about changes, but to what? it's the rule supposedly in effect the thing we don't know.

Maybe a thread should be started, where all issues that need to be resolved for the future off-season should be added to the OP. The thread can be the CC official issue thread.

[kyuss]

Steve looks like he is gonna win the week anyways at this point.

However, maybe a new new CBA should be made this offseason

You're welcome, we have been saying this same thing every year since I've been here. Never happened (the one called new CBA was never a complete, updated thing, and was unfortunately left there under that name only adding to the confusion), for several reasons.

If steve wins it anyway it's a good thing, but that might mean nothing gets decided and announced, once again, and the same problem comes back again in the future just like happened today.

How many years have you been on the cc? I would think it would be your guys job to make it.

yeah, I've probably been there for too long, and I didn't even take the time to write a complete CBA on my own, figuring out doubts on my own and deciding the nitty gritty on my own...
the main reason is I felt the result would have not been worth that much effort.

I always felt a CBA generated that way (which, turned out, would have been the only way to get it) would have been questioned whenever an argument would arise. It would have been MY words, always up for discussions instead of finally working as a reference to quickly answer all questions and the definitive source where all situations were univocally addressed.

[Fraser]

Overall I think this issue has shred some light on a need to address the bigger lack of current CBA issue. While it really does appear that Steve will win now, we may be fine pushing this until the offseason. But it's something I think we should open up and actively work together to getting done.

[Matthew]

Steve looks like he is gonna win the week anyways at this point.

However, maybe a new new CBA should be made this offseason

You're welcome, we have been saying this same thing every year since I've been here. Never happened (the one called new CBA was never a complete, updated thing, and was unfortunately left there under that name only adding to the confusion), for several reasons.

If steve wins it anyway it's a good thing, but that might mean nothing gets decided and announced, once again, and the same problem comes back again in the future just like happened today.

How many years have you been on the cc? I would think it would be your guys job to make it.

yeah, I've probably been there for too long, and I didn't even take the time to write a complete CBA on my own, figuring out doubts on my own and deciding the nitty gritty on my own...
the main reason is I felt the result would have not been worth that much effort.

I always felt a CBA generated that way (which, turned out, would have been the only way to get it) would have been questioned whenever an argument would arise. It would have been MY words, always up for discussions instead of finally working as a reference to quickly answer all questions and the definitive source where all situations were univocally addressed.

we could make one in say June and then have it unofficially posted in a review thread where people could suggest edits to the wording and rules, and then a discussion on said edit or rule could take place. If it is written by the end of June that gives 3 Months for open review. Again, I would be willing to write it with significant input from a large group of people, and do not mind being scrutinized by others either. Just a thought.

[Matthew]

I think we should open up and actively work together to getting done.

#TeamBBKLMembersWhoHaveNoLivesAndFindWritingUpOfficialRuleDocumentsForAnNHLFantasyLeagueFascinating

[kyuss]

Maybe a thread should be started, where all issues that need to be resolved for the future off-season should be added to the OP. The thread can be the CC official issue thread.

obviously a commendable initiative.

Not the first one of this sort though, hopefully it will work unlike previous ones, and CC will then be able to address the issues..