Frans Nielsen

[kimmer]

Nielsen simmonds isnt fair.
I meant add to G and work it out.

[Sensfanjosh]

Paul and I in agreement? ..... I'm embarrassed

[The BBKL Insider]

Nielsen simmonds isnt fair.
I meant add to G and work it out.

Giroux

for

Val Filppula < Frans Neilson
Dustin Brown <<< Simmonds
Brooks Orpik << Gio


Would you do it?

[Matthew]

i'd do it from pauls standpoint in a second...3 30+ players on the downsides of their careers.

[Fraser]

I actually don't see it as that bad, Neilsen is a very good 3rd line C, Simmonds is solid as we all know, depends if you think Gio is what he was last year long-term or if it was a career year, if Gio goes back to being a 40 point D I think this is a good deal for Fraser really.

Neilsen while may only be a very good 3rd line C. He has consistently been a top 30 center in the BBKL the past 3 seasons. Gio was a top 5 defenseman the last 2 years. And Simmonds has been a top 30 winger.

Maybe a trade like that makes sense in the NHL. Elite Centers can be double shifted when the game is tied late. He can come up in the clutch and win you the game in overtime. But this league isn't played on the ice. And whatever they are in the NHL, in the BBKL they are all high level pieces. And the stat differential is just absolutely insane compared to what I could replace them with.

[The BBKL Insider]

i'd do it from pauls standpoint in a second...

there you have it, maybe i just set up a deal.

i literally coudln't make it any closer than that, as paul doesn't have 3 pieces nearly as good as Frasers.

[kimmer]

Yep

Add to G

[The BBKL Insider]

taking myself out of the giroux talks, someone is goign to be sorry when they pay that price for 1 player when they could have 3 very good peripherial players.

Seems like Paul would pay it, if i'm shiv i'm all over Paul with offers.

[kimmer]

Yep. Id do G + carlson for filp brown orpik

[The BBKL Insider]

Yep. Id do G + carlson for filp brown orpik

point proven

you wouldn't pay 3 inferior players without a #1 dman added on his side.

[kimmer]

Ya beo
Nielsen to G is a huge centre upgrade

[CAM]

Brent Seabrook + Carl Soderberg + Mike Weaver

for

Giordano + Nielson

you skipped over this...

[kimmer]

Weaver is valueless. Stop trying to include him in deals and it may help

[Fraser]

Brent Seabrook + Carl Soderberg + Mike Weaver

for

Giordano + Nielson

you skipped over this...

Sorry been getting a lot of inbox heat. Ill get back shortly.

[Robin Hood]

I feel like people in this thread are nuts. Gio should be able to land a package of an amazing 2 for 1 where at least one of the players has a super high ceiling. None of Nielsen, Simmonds or Gio have super high ceilings. They are "what you see is what you get" players. Gio is a great piece, but he's over 30 so the best piece I get in the deal will decline.

If these new bbklers got the concept of cycles, I wouldn't have received the ridiculous response of a youtube video from Fraser. Just strange.

[kimmer]

I feel like people in this thread are nuts. Gio should be able to land a package of an amazing 2 for 1 where at least one of the players has a super high ceiling. None of Nielsen, Simmonds or Gio have super high ceilings. They are "what you see is what you get" players. Gio is a great piece, but he's over 30 so the best piece I get in the deal will decline.

If these new bbklers got the concept of cycles, I wouldn't have received the ridiculous response of a youtube video from Fraser. Just strange.

It moreso has nothing to do with their lack of understanding of player cycles but everything to do with lack of confidence in player flipping/negotiation skills required to do what u do bro

Its now more of "I sit on my players cuz it's easier to do so and they're not bad. It's more work trying to do what shiv does because I cannot negotiate."

"I only draft or trade picks"
"1st round picks are gold"

Shift in trade market and entity of value is quite different now. Anton saw it and quit right away.
One blue chip prospect with 0 nhl game under belt is actually worth more or equal to a 40 point 27 yr old 2nd line nhl player now.

Shiv you may have to get with the times and shift your focus to depth beo

[Matthew]

How is Fraser going to cycle G, when you clearly win the trade. He would need to clearly beat someone else in a trade for that to happen. We understand that YOU are attemtping to win cycles, which is probably why we aren't into the trades. But by all means, go back to the guys in the league from 3 years ago, who left us these terrible teams you tore apart. I think the difference is that we understand the cycles better than them, not the other way around.

[Fraser]

Blah you can come in here and insult my ability to run my team all you like, its not going to get you any closer to making a deal. But I think I've understood the concept of cycles and have been running this team just fine thank you very much. Hell I only have 3 pieces on my entire roster that are the same from when I took over the team, and have been one of the most active traders in this league during your 1 year sabbatical, but i wouldn't expect you to know that.

Giroux is an absolute elite piece, but nobody has the depth to pay the price you are looking for and come out ahead unless their minors are flushed with young NHLers being held off their roster due to depth.

[kimmer]

Read my mind matthew bro

[The BBKL Insider]

Cycles are few and far between in the BBKL.

Trading has changed, and IMO it's a positive change. Teams are drafting and letting those players grow and develop. You dont see huge trades anymore because 3 players are more important than 1.