kimmer wroteCOLONIt moreso has nothing to do with their lack of understanding of player cycles but everything to do with lack of confidence in player flipping/negotiation skills required to do what u do broRobin Hood wroteCOLONI feel like people in this thread are nuts. Gio should be able to land a package of an amazing 2 for 1 where at least one of the players has a super high ceiling. None of Nielsen, Simmonds or Gio have super high ceilings. They are "what you see is what you get" players. Gio is a great piece, but he's over 30 so the best piece I get in the deal will decline.
If these new bbklers got the concept of cycles, I wouldn't have received the ridiculous response of a youtube video from Fraser. Just strange.
Its now more of "I sit on my players cuz it's easier to do so and they're not bad. It's more work trying to do what shiv does because I cannot negotiate."
"I only draft or trade picks"
"1st round picks are gold"
Shift in trade market and entity of value is quite different now. Anton saw it and quit right away.
One blue chip prospect with 0 nhl game under belt is actually worth more or equal to a 40 point 27 yr old 2nd line nhl player now.
Shiv you may have to get with the times and shift your focus to depth beo
Matthew wroteCOLONHow is Fraser going to cycle G, when you clearly win the trade. He would need to clearly beat someone else in a trade for that to happen. We understand that YOU are attemtping to win cycles, which is probably why we aren't into the trades. But by all means, go back to the guys in the league from 3 years ago, who left us these terrible teams you tore apart. I think the difference is that we understand the cycles better than them, not the other way around.
No insults. I think your points are somewhat valid.Fraser wroteCOLONBlah you can come in here and insult my ability to run my team all you like, its not going to get you any closer to making a deal. But I think I've understood the concept of cycles and have been running this team just fine thank you very much. Hell I only have 3 pieces on my entire roster that are the same from when I took over the team, and have been one of the most active traders in this league during your 1 year sabbatical, but i wouldn't expect you to know that.
Giroux is an absolute elite piece, but nobody has the depth to pay the price you are looking for and come out ahead unless their minors are flushed with young NHLers being held off their roster due to depth.
The issue is, you all will hit a point when you want to compete and everything will change. I don't see this as a "new market". I see this as a necessary phase in evolution. Giroux is worth 2 great bbklers, one with a very high ceiling. In situations where a high-ceiling player is not in the deal, there needs to be 3 players involved. This is a fact that will never change when you talk about players in the same class (Benn, Getzlaf, Sidney, Stammer etc.)
