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[Sensfanjosh]

Apparently the B's did offer 6 year 33 million to him at some point recently. Not nearly enough for a player of his calibre; feel like that's a slap in the face to Dougie...

5.5 isn't nearly enough? He's definitely a good young player but to say that 5.5 isn't close is a bit extreme to me. How many UFA years does a 6 year deal eat though? If he's an RFA for 4 of the 6 years I'd say thats a decent offer, but if its eating more of those precious UFA years the term could definitely be a problem.

[Chuck Norris]

I think he's pretty close to being ready as a #1 as early as this coming year. 5.5 doesn't cover most #1's and Dougie still has tons of upside yet...Dougie would be stupid to sign that terms with that tag at this point.

[Bruyns]

They could offer up to 7.3 with that compensation. My issue is there is 0 chance that is the best offer they could get.

the point is, apparently he was not going to get an offer higher than that

(and why the hell would a team want to offer over 7.3 a year and lose 2 or 3 1sts?)

Agree they weren't getting an offer over 7.3. I was saying there was 0 chance Calgary's offer was the best they could get.

[CAM]

Excellent post josh

Agree. First positive spin on the moves. Well, not positive but when your backed into a corner what can you do. If dougie wanted 6.5 mil and the Bruins knew he was going to get offersheeted, had to be moved but.....I feel the return could have been much higher if more advertising would have been done. What rights did he have on the deal he was on? These young players who refuse bridge deals. Bruins wanted to pay him 5 mil for 2 years and no way would he accept that. i kind of agree with alot of these more experienced hockey minds who are upset taht these young players feel they deserve the moon after 1 or 2 years in the league but in the same sense with the cap rising can you blame a guy for trying if he is going to succeed somewhere else?

[CAM]

They could offer up to 7.3 with that compensation. My issue is there is 0 chance that is the best offer they could get.

the point is, apparently he was not going to get an offer higher than that

(and why the hell would a team want to offer over 7.3 a year and lose 2 or 3 1sts?)

Agree they weren't getting an offer over 7.3. I was saying there was 0 chance Calgary's offer was the best they could get.

Totally Agree. Thats the part that burns the most. The return itself, not the reason or circumstances on what he was moved for.

[The BBKL Insider]

Excellent post josh

Agree. First positive spin on the moves. Well, not positive but when your backed into a corner what can you do. If dougie wanted 6.5 mil and the Bruins knew he was going to get offersheeted, had to be moved but.....I feel the return could have been much higher if more advertising would have been done. What rights did he have on the deal he was on? These young players who refuse bridge deals. Bruins wanted to pay him 5 mil for 2 years and no way would he accept that. i kind of agree with alot of these more experienced hockey minds who are upset taht these young players feel they deserve the moon after 1 or 2 years in the league but in the same sense with the cap rising can you blame a guy for trying if he is going to succeed somewhere else?

The lucic trade was excellent, i think the issues with the trades are what he turned those picks into. 2 of the picks were ranked in the late 20s (Zboril and Debrusk and they went 13-14, then he went off the board and grabbed a guy ranked 40-70th with the 15th pick, all while Connor and Brazal were on the board) Now i'm a debrusk owner and mikes a Zboril owner and its nice to see your pick go 20 spots higher than where i drafted him, but my goodness there was some top end talent on the board when he made those picks.

edit - the point i'm trying to make is that id gladly trade Debrusk for Brazal in the BBKL, since you know my guy went higher.

[Sensfanjosh]

The issue with getting a better deal for Dougie (beyond the EDM rumors perhaps) is that everyone knew you had to move him, and no one is going to pay top dollar for an asset that needs to be moved (i.e my defense of Bryan Murray when Heatley and Spezza asked to be traded).

As far as who they drafted, who knows, its less than a week after the draft to say that they screwed up its bit pre-mature I'd say. We're not all draft geniuses like Shiv but I know a lot of people now who would probably be happy to have 'reached' on a Mark Stone who was ranked very low going into his draft year.

[The BBKL Insider]

The issue with getting a better deal for Dougie (beyond the EDM rumors perhaps) is that everyone knew you had to move him, and no one is going to pay top dollar for an asset that needs to be moved (i.e my defense of Bryan Murray when Heatley and Spezza asked to be traded).

As far as who they drafted, who knows, its less than a week after the draft to say that they screwed up its bit pre-mature I'd say. We're not all draft geniuses like Shiv but I know a lot of people now who would probably be happy to have 'reached' on a Mark Stone who was ranked very low going into his draft year.

The thing is, why reach with 3 top 15 picks? Top scouts and GMs were amazing and confused how they left Brazal on the board. I'm also not complianing, i literally died laughing when neither Connor or Brazal was picked.

Like you said, none of us are scouts, but you had seen what the 16th pick went for - Griffin Reinhart - a former #4 overall 6'4" 220lb top pairing (potiential dman). Why didn't Boston just flip the 15th pick for that? seems like they could have taken Zboril, Debrusk + Reinhart (who eventually could have replaced Dougie)

[CAM]

I am not going to argue on who they selected at what position because for the most part drafting is a crapshoot, even in the first round.

[Sensfanjosh]

Well as I said earlier they have a bit of a log jam of guys at the NHL level or near the NHL level at D already, adding Reinhart to the mix doesn't really help that, and then they need to make another trade anyways, obviously they are high on the 3 they grabbed and not as high on Barzal. Again I'm not saying they made all the right moves, but to say they ruined their team and all of the prospects they drafted suck seems to be getting a little ahead of yourself.

Also....if you literally died laughing you wouldn't be typing so maybe you have a penhant for hyperbole?

[The BBKL Insider]

Well as I said earlier they have a bit of a log jam of guys at the NHL level or near the NHL level at D already, adding Reinhart to the mix doesn't really help that, and then they need to make another trade anyways, obviously they are high on the 3 they grabbed and not as high on Barzal. Again I'm not saying they made all the right moves, but to say they ruined their team and all of the prospects they drafted suck seems to be getting a little ahead of yourself.

Also....if you literally died laughing you wouldn't be typing so maybe you have a penhant for hyperbole?

not sure i said they ruined their team? maybe i did (who knows).

what i'm saying is, it's hard to justify going off the board that high in a draft when you've lost 2 major parts off your roster. Hopefully for my sake Debrusk can make an NHL impact sooner than later.

[CAM]

Im hoping they can pull off a single year retool similar to Chicago. The young guys are going to be very importatnt to the bruins. They are getting there chance. Time to shine. Pastrnak, Spooner, Morrow, Trotman, Ferlin etc....who else knows. With all the moves made i am pretty sure the Bruins only have under 2 mil in cap space remaining...lol

[Sensfanjosh]

I understand what you're saying and agree that it will be hard to justify if those prospects don't pan out, but you did say Sweeney was incapable and would be fired within two years based on his deals. I am just saying I think its a little early to take such a hardline stance on him, and was showing a way in which the deals could be viewed as reasonable moves given the team's situation. The Bruins have done a decent job scouting and developing the past few years so I think giving them the benefit of the doubt for now makes sense, in 3 years if they bust then a more critical attitude makes sense.

[CAM]

Josh speaks very calmly and truthful. I had to take a step back and consider what was going on behind closed doors to justify such moves. Obviously on the surface for a fan they looked brutal but based on the cap and some of the terrible contracts the former GM signed, Sweeney was in a tough spot. Let me just say that one of the dumbest moves that no one is talking about is signing McQuaid to a $2,750,000 per yr deal. Now that blows my mind.

[CAM]

Correction on former amount i posted:

Cap Space (with Spooner/Connolly/Jones left to sign + 1 more body to fill the 23-man roster): $8.735501 million in space

[CasperX22]

Apparently the B's did offer 6 year 33 million to him at some point recently. Not nearly enough for a player of his calibre; feel like that's a slap in the face to Dougie...

5.5 isn't nearly enough? He's definitely a good young player but to say that 5.5 isn't close is a bit extreme to me. How many UFA years does a 6 year deal eat though? If he's an RFA for 4 of the 6 years I'd say thats a decent offer, but if its eating more of those precious UFA years the term could definitely be a problem.

Yeah that is pretty low for Dougie. 5.5 on a bridge deal? Maybe you get away with that, but asking him to throw away ufa years for that? That's pretty insulting. Then to not get enough back for him and then to completely flub the picks? What a shit show.

[The BBKL Insider]

Darren Dreger just called the Boston situation "head scratching and weird"

said neither Lucic or Dougie were maximized and people around the NHL said the Bruins have really set themselves back.

[kimmer]

Josh speaks very calmly and truthful. I had to take a step back and consider what was going on behind closed doors to justify such moves. Obviously on the surface for a fan they looked brutal but based on the cap and some of the terrible contracts the former GM signed, Sweeney was in a tough spot. Let me just say that one of the dumbest moves that no one is talking about is signing McQuaid to a $2,750,000 per yr deal. Now that blows my mind.

I suppose josh is able to portray calmness when one no longer is a die hard fan of a particular team anymore (sens), and is able to objectively and critically assess nhl gm-ship as a whole without any goggles on

[Sensfanjosh]

Darren Dreger just called the Boston situation "head scratching and weird"

said neither Lucic or Dougie were maximized and people around the NHL said the Bruins have really set themselves back.

One more comment on this then I'm done, but just as a response to the Bruins setting themselves back.

Looking at the larger recent history of the Bruins I think what we are seeing now is the Bruins regression to where they 'should' be following the Kessel trade. Many Leafs fans say Burke traded the picks to the Bruins not expecting to finish as poorly as they did, and no doubt this is the case. What I haven't seen anyone talking about is whether the Bruins themselves expected the picks to pan out as well as they did.

The Bruins had already established a very solid core around Chara, Thomas/Rask, Bergeron, Krecji etc. and the Leafs deal (imo anyways) was at the time another deal to solidify the Bruins tough identity by removing a valuable asset that didn't fit right in order to insulate the core with good talent. The fact that the picks turned out as high as they did might actually have backfired in a sense then, because now the Bruins have too many core players, and had already commited to those I mentioned above.

Suddenly the Bruins are faced with a strange problem of having too many top 6 players for those players to really be useful to the team, and the inability for everyone to be paid. So, as a result you see the Bruins moving Seguin for a package of depth scorers and complimentary players such as Eriksson which fit the Bruins mould as well as the requirement for what they originally wanted in moving Kessel, players to put next to Bergeron and Krejci etc.

As many have said the draft is a crapshoot and some teams seem to just hit it really well. I think the regression of the Bruins is attributed to a few factors but the poor play of the Leafs and subsequent inability of the Bruins to manage their good luck is a large part of it. I think in a few years we'll see the same thing in Tampa in that they had a core of Stamkos and Hedman identified, but suddenly the triplets line emerges due to some good scouting and some good luck, and while this is a coup now, once everyone is more developed and needs to be paid we'll see if Yzerman handles the situation better than the Bruins did.

[CAM]

Good post Josh. I am starting to wonder about the mentality of the "core" players. I have to step back and consider that the Bruins still have a solid team. The division is alot tougher now though and making playoffs may or may not be a possibility depending on injuries and if certain young players make the leap.

I'm expecting big things from this young line. I want a triplet line 2.0

Connolly - Spooner - Pastrnak

as a third line is not too bad for depth up front. The problem is the system and the defense.