League Disparity

[Shoalzie]

It's too late to implement free agency unless we started over. Teams aren't being constructed with contracts in mind. Only cap hit matters.

[kyuss]

It's a joke that guys like Kuznetsov, Klingberg and Panarin are in the minors, regardless of the reason. That alone is enough for me to support some sort of change.

I agree that people that build depth, draft, and have an insanely good team with an incredible prospect system need to be rewarded, but stuff like this where 2 of the top 10 players in points in the NHL are sitting in the minors, is an absolute joke.

that joke comes from the fact GMs in this league don't give value to a player like Datsyuk. Or for some reasons they think they should get Klingberg with a 1st rounder.

btw, if Klingberg was left in the minors one more season by his NHL team (which on a different team is what could have very well happened, the Stars last season were sorely lacking a PP quarterback) no one would think of him as a PPG NHLer and no one would have realized that NHL team was keeping in the minors a PPG player, just like I am doing now.

Even only looking at my team, for similar situations in the past guys like Nyquist and Zuccarello were stuck in the minors. That's fine in the NHL, but it's not fine in BBKL just because when we keep a player down he still keeps playing in the NHL in the real world?

[kimmer]

hi

[CAM]

Id like some free players, thx. Cutting 21 mil in cap blows. Bruins and their GM sucks.

[Bruyns]

The one thing I don't agree with in Fraser's OP is linking minor league players or parity to league activity. Keeping a handful of NHL guys out of the minors isn't going to increase activity IMO and I also don't view this as a problem. I have been around enough to witness truly inactive GMs and right now we don't have that issue. Who do you think is inactive? Hong has never been a big poster on the forums and Mike posts less now but it's not like parity is going to make teams like Mike or Hong more active on the forums.

To me it seems like some of the most active GMs are the ones at the bottom of the standings so I have a hard time buying the reducing league disparity increases activity argument.

[Shep]

Shep is easily the most inactive GM in the league.

[Mike]

Regardless of any proposed rule changes the best GMs will accrue the most value on their teams. Change waiver eligibility? They'll get similar players that are a bit younger. Force a cap on gp in the minors? They'll turn those players into first rounders.

We all have the same tools at our disposal to build our teams, no matter what happens some will do it well and some won't. All you'll do is shift the worth of certain assets -- in this case lowering the value of young players league wide, including those on bad teams.

[Bruyns]

I'm also not against discussing more regulations on our minors. I just recently traded two nhlers in my minors and with GP minimums I do see the problem with too many NHL guys in the minors.

[The BBKL Insider]

Could you imagine if shiv wins the west and has to forfeit an active player because he's a top team. That would leave him with 15 active NHLers

[Matthew]

Regardless of any proposed rule changes the best GMs will accrue the most value on their teams. Change waiver eligibility? They'll get similar players that are a bit younger. Force a cap on gp in the minors? They'll turn those players into first rounders.

We all have the same tools at our disposal to build our teams, no matter what happens some will do it well and some won't. All you'll do is shift the worth of certain assets -- in this case lowering the value of young players league wide, including those on bad teams.

Nothing wrong with teams at the top keeping the extra value in better nhl rosters, 1st rounders, or nhl prospects. That is what they would trade their nhl stars in the minors for. There would be no giving player away for free. It would just result in having the large # of current nhl roster players in the minor league system put onto bbkl rosters. Not all of them, just some. A minor league gp cap doesn't need to be 50 games. It can be large (like 350-400 games). But right now there are teams on pace for 700 games played in their minor league system, which is ridiculous.

[Matthew]

Could you imagine if shiv wins the west and has to forfeit an active player because he's a top team. That would leave him with 15 active NHLers

No one is talking about top teams forfieting players or giving them away for free. This is about a team like mik converting some of the value he has in his current 45? Nhlers into A: better nhlers B: draft picks C: prospects.

[The BBKL Insider]

Could you imagine if shiv wins the west and has to forfeit an active player because he's a top team. That would leave him with 15 active NHLers

No one is talking about top teams forfieting players or giving them away for free. This is about a team like mik converting some of the value he has in his current 45? Nhlers into A: better nhlers B: draft picks C: prospects.

it was a joke, at the lack of depth shivs team has lol

[tyler]

There is a few GM's being included as the "superior GM with great asset management". Only a small percent of those superior GM's are actually that - a few got their pockets lined with assets/picks by holding goalies over peoples heads in the early days of this league. As well as others scraped some shitty GM's in the first two seasons as the rotating door of GM's kept turning.

It is what it is. So leave it as is. The league is still strong, very alive/healthy.

/rant.

[The BBKL Insider]

There is a few GM's being included as the "superior GM with great asset management". Only a small percent of those superior GM's are actually that - a few got their pockets lined with assets/picks by holding goalies over peoples heads in the early days of this league. As well as others scraped some shitty GM's in the first two seasons as the rotating door of GM's kept turning.

It is what it is. So leave it as is. The league is still strong, very alive/healthy.

/rant.

I read this as

"Paul is a shitty GM"

[Sensfanjosh]

I don't think there's a great disparity in terms of GM 'talent' here, there are some here who are better salesman and or more dedicated to doing the legwork required to excel in the league. The rest can be chalked up to what Tyler said above regarding the early years of the league.

[Matthew]

Who cares if there are better or worse gms. 700 nhl games in any gms minor leagues in a season is stupid.

[lightupdadarkness]

Also I should clarify that what I'm suggesting doesn't necessarily hurt the wealth of these teams on top. Rather I just think from a competitive standpoint in the league we shouldn't have a structure that allows a large amount of productive players to sit in the minors contributing nothing

Appreciate the input Chris. And I think you guys are spot on when saying that things have been trending in a better direction and with time it will only improve. But for me when looking at this single year in isolation, and sorry to single a team out here but when I see players like Kuznetsov, Panarin and Klingberg all sitting in the minors, it says to me that we have a problem.

there will be more to add, but just wanted to start pointing out a couple of things.

1. What's happening to me this season is no different than what happened in Detroit in real life (nhl) over the past years. You think Nyquist would have not been more productive than Cleary & c when he was dominating the AHL? yet they decided to keep him down for yrs, cause otherwise they had to throw away veterans they didn't want to lose.
In our NHL representation with BBKL, keeping Klingberg/Panarin down is no different, the fact he is producing in the NHL so he should be up is like saying an NHL team should be forced to keep up a player who is dominating the AHL.
The fact in terms of NHL games played by our players we have to witness the NHL GMs decisions instead of making our own decisions (which for example affects how long a player remains waiver exempt) is problematic enough without forcing BBKL GMs to keep players up just because NHL GMs decides so, even when they still are waiver exempts by BBKL (restricted) standards.

2. A good reason why Kuz, Panarin & Klingberg are in the minors is other GMs with cap room don't feel like paying decent value for veterans. If Selanne played till 44, the way Datsyuk plays the game it is hard to imagine he stops being effective before 40, yet he is treated like he was someone who can't play hockey anymore and ready to retire.
Heck, even Plekanec didn't have weak teams with cap room interested, and in fact ended up to another contender for cheap..
so this is a case of hoarding resulting from others' behaviour more than willingness: obviously I'd rather dress those 3 players than not.

That I'll pretty much call out and say that's a lie. I'll even post offers and your asking prices from me if need be.

That said I have no problems with Mik having a strong minors. He didn't just luck into that. He put in the work and research to make that happen. He has tried to stay ahead of the curve in asset management and their is no reason to penalize him or anyone else who has done the same.

You can say that those players being in the minors isn't real like the NHL, but neither is telling another GM what to do with his team and assets.

Some teams prefer top heavy NHL rosters and others prefer a strong overall organizational method, neither should be penalize or have what they worked for taken away from them.

[tyler]

Some teams prefer top heavy NHL rosters and others prefer a strong overall organizational method, neither should be penalize or have what they worked for taken away from them.

Bingo.

[Matthew]

Nothing would be taken away from anyone.

[kimmer]

Ok there bunch of Che fucking Guevara's