League Announcements Discussion

[Jordan (VGK)]

"We are just allowing teams to dress their best lineups any given week"

that's not what was decided and it's not what we had in the past for injured players either. It's not like you can just bury injured players in the minors. You can't even automatically put all of them on LTIR

Injuries normally have a timeline associated with them thus the nuance of IR/LTIR. COVID protocol has shown to have no timetable and no information around it.

actually, the vast majority of players who go under covid protocol don't miss more than 2 weeks, so there is a timeline associated with them. Not all of them will eventually fall within that timeframe, but that also happens for injured players who are supposed to be out 1 or 2 games and end up missing weeks

I really don't get the resistance here.

well we played 3 weeks under certain rules, so we are not going to change things completely now, during the season. Seems a pretty obvious reason for resistance.

Well you made the announcement during week 2, so you already did it once lol

[CasperX22]

"We are just allowing teams to dress their best lineups any given week"

that's not what was decided and it's not what we had in the past for injured players either. It's not like you can just bury injured players in the minors. You can't even automatically put all of them on LTIR

Injuries normally have a timeline associated with them thus the nuance of IR/LTIR. COVID protocol has shown to have no timetable and no information around it.

actually, the vast majority of players who go under covid protocol don't miss more than 2 weeks, so there is a timeline associated with them. Not all of them will eventually fall within that timeframe, but that also happens for injured players who are supposed to be out 1 or 2 games and end up missing weeks

I really don't get the resistance here.

well we played 3 weeks under certain rules, so we are not going to change things completely now, during the season. Seems a pretty obvious reason for resistance.

Well you made the announcement during week 2, so you already did it once lol

Weeeeeeeeeeeeeew!

[kimmer]

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[kyuss]

"We are just allowing teams to dress their best lineups any given week"

that's not what was decided and it's not what we had in the past for injured players either. It's not like you can just bury injured players in the minors. You can't even automatically put all of them on LTIR

Injuries normally have a timeline associated with them thus the nuance of IR/LTIR. COVID protocol has shown to have no timetable and no information around it.

actually, the vast majority of players who go under covid protocol don't miss more than 2 weeks, so there is a timeline associated with them. Not all of them will eventually fall within that timeframe, but that also happens for injured players who are supposed to be out 1 or 2 games and end up missing weeks

I really don't get the resistance here.

well we played 3 weeks under certain rules, so we are not going to change things completely now, during the season. Seems a pretty obvious reason for resistance.

Well you made the announcement during week 2, so you already did it once lol

under that announcement those on covid protocol were not going to be eligible in week1 and week2 anyway, so that announcement didn't change things

[Jordan (VGK)]

"We are just allowing teams to dress their best lineups any given week"

that's not what was decided and it's not what we had in the past for injured players either. It's not like you can just bury injured players in the minors. You can't even automatically put all of them on LTIR

Injuries normally have a timeline associated with them thus the nuance of IR/LTIR. COVID protocol has shown to have no timetable and no information around it.

actually, the vast majority of players who go under covid protocol don't miss more than 2 weeks, so there is a timeline associated with them. Not all of them will eventually fall within that timeframe, but that also happens for injured players who are supposed to be out 1 or 2 games and end up missing weeks

I really don't get the resistance here.

well we played 3 weeks under certain rules, so we are not going to change things completely now, during the season. Seems a pretty obvious reason for resistance.

Well you made the announcement during week 2, so you already did it once lol

under that announcement those on covid protocol were not going to be eligible in week1 and week2 anyway, so that announcement didn't change things

Right so it hasnt been3 weeks with these rules lol

[kyuss]

So the official word/stance is nothing is going to be changed? Just trying to get info to make roster decisions.

the interpretation I suggested above in this thread I think makes the most sense to stay consistent with what we've been doing, but I can't predict what the CC will decide

[Handsome&FairMike]

We are also only hearing comments here from 3 people... anyone else want to chime in?

Does this covid allocation (I.e. sent to minors) appeal to all? I see it appealing to the top teams and the bottom teams. A lot of teams in the middle may feel otherwise.

[kyuss]

Does this covid allocation (I.e. sent to minors) appeal to all?

I don't see how that may be relevant when we played week 1 to 3 with a completely different rule

[CasperX22]

"We are just allowing teams to dress their best lineups any given week"

that's not what was decided and it's not what we had in the past for injured players either. It's not like you can just bury injured players in the minors. You can't even automatically put all of them on LTIR

Injuries normally have a timeline associated with them thus the nuance of IR/LTIR. COVID protocol has shown to have no timetable and no information around it.

actually, the vast majority of players who go under covid protocol don't miss more than 2 weeks, so there is a timeline associated with them. Not all of them will eventually fall within that timeframe, but that also happens for injured players who are supposed to be out 1 or 2 games and end up missing weeks

I really don't get the resistance here.

well we played 3 weeks under certain rules, so we are not going to change things completely now, during the season. Seems a pretty obvious reason for resistance.

Well you made the announcement during week 2, so you already did it once lol

under that announcement those on covid protocol were not going to be eligible in week1 and week2 anyway, so that announcement didn't change things

So you made his point for him? Nice.

[Sensfanjosh]

We are also only hearing comments here from 3 people... anyone else want to chime in?

Does this covid allocation (I.e. sent to minors) appeal to all? I see it appealing to the top teams and the bottom teams. A lot of teams in the middle may feel otherwise.

The issue with just sending guys to minors like that, would be that the SS Scott has designed wouldn't easily accommodate it. It does make sense to allow players in COVID protocol to enter the LTIR though even if we don't know who has tested positive. The downside for teams putting players on LTIR is that they won't have access to those players for the 3 week period. The deep teams would need to weigh potential cap savings against the loss of players. Add too many players to the LTIR and you might not benefit from your depth anyways.

[Arian The Insider]

I think it's worth considering allowing to put protocol players on LTIR (have to stay 3 weeks no matter what).

Sounds good to me.

[Handsome&FairMike]

I think it's worth considering allowing to put protocol players on LTIR (have to stay 3 weeks no matter what).

Sounds good to me.

Ok this is what I was suggesting, but is different from Josh/Jordan/Chicago suggesting which is a COVID-related bench spot that doesn't count vs cap/roster spots.

[kyuss]

actually, the vast majority of players who go under covid protocol don't miss more than 2 weeks, so there is a timeline associated with them. Not all of them will eventually fall within that timeframe, but that also happens for injured players who are supposed to be out 1 or 2 games and end up missing weeks

I really don't get the resistance here.

well we played 3 weeks under certain rules, so we are not going to change things completely now, during the season. Seems a pretty obvious reason for resistance.

Well you made the announcement during week 2, so you already did it once lol

under that announcement those on covid protocol were not going to be eligible in week1 and week2 anyway, so that announcement didn't change things

So you made his point for him? Nice.

not really.
Players in covid-protocol were not eligible for our LTIR in week 1 and week 2. After our announcement, players in the same situation going into week 3 were snot eligible for LTIR either. So the announcement didn't bring in any change compared to what we had for week 1 and 2. On the contrary, what people are suggesting in this thread would completely change the rules moving forward compared to week 1, 2 , 3, something unprecedented in this league I think, and that would not happen out of necessity, just out of some GMs whining about a rule that can 'affect' every team the same way...

[Sensfanjosh]

something unprecedented in this league I think, and that would not happen out of necessity, just out of some GMs whining about a rule that can 'affect' every team the same way...

So asking about policy which is supposedly "black and white" but that changes based on your interpretation of "common sense" is "whining". That's a neat framing.

[Jordan (VGK)]

You can't use the logic that we cannot make a rule change because it would impact previous weeks, when the rules were only revealed in week 3. Were we supposed to disagree with rules that weren't in place before the season started?

[kyuss]

something unprecedented in this league I think, and that would not happen out of necessity, just out of some GMs whining about a rule that can 'affect' every team the same way...

So asking about policy which is supposedly "black and white" but that changes based on your interpretation of "common sense" is "whining". That's a neat framing.

nope, I wasn't thinking of you when typing that sentence

[koomzzz]

There's honestly too much in here for me to read through to make an informed opinion. a TL;DR would be nice. Otherwise I'll read it sometime in the future.

[kyuss]

You can't use the logic that we cannot make a rule change because it would impact previous weeks, when the rules were only revealed in week 3. Were we supposed to disagree with rules that weren't in place before the season started?

in week 1, 2 and 3 GMs could not put in LTIR players in covid-protocol, whereas under your requests starting with week 4 GMs would be allowed to do that (or to even bury those players in the minors temporarily lol).

You can play around with words as much as you want, but that's a pretty simple and incontrovertible fact.

Also, please tell me you are willing to replace me in the CC.

[Matthew]

It's tough creating this ruling as there are many different interpretations of how this should be handled, so it kinda becomes a patchwork of bureaucratic votes. We have 7 people in cc so a lot of voices, and sometimes u gotta cede one idea so another can go through and things get done, rather than just go on and on without any resolution.

And then u have people constantly complaining about the choices made, when we've all ready argued for a week or two about it in cc. Just becomes exhausting (although everyone is entitled to their opinions, obv). It isn't going to be perfect, but there are likely going to be holes in any direction we go in for covid since it's constantly evolving.

[CasperX22]

You can't use the logic that we cannot make a rule change because it would impact previous weeks, when the rules were only revealed in week 3. Were we supposed to disagree with rules that weren't in place before the season started?

in week 1, 2 and 3 GMs could not put in LTIR players in covid-protocol, whereas under your requests starting with week 4 GMs would be allowed to do that (or to even bury those players in the minors temporarily lol).

You can play around with words as much as you want, but that's a pretty simple and incontrovertible fact.

Also, please tell me you are willing to replace me in the CC.

So is that your go to response when you are proven to be full of shit?