Can't Touch This

[Topher]

Averaged 15:44 time on ice a night with 1040 faceoffs makes you a center

[Scott]

Im sorry a guy that takes 1040 faceoffs is not a winger please get real

Just because you take the faceoff doesn't mean you're a center. He takes the faceoff and then plays the wing after the puck is dropped.. not really a tough concept.

[MSP4LYFE]

Im sorry a guy that takes 1040 faceoffs is not a winger please get real

You get real...You've been in the league like what...3 months? That's not even long enough to have an opinion....

[Topher]

in this league he should be considered a center becaquse guys have players moved due to the fact that they dont take faceoffs so they say they are wingers for league purposes so therefore park should be a center for league purposes

[Topher]

Kareem you havent even grown hair on your balls i dont give a fuck how long i have been in the league if ignorant little bastards like you can have an opinion then i sure as hell can.

[Scott]

in this league he should be considered a center becaquse guys have players moved due to the fact that they dont take faceoffs so they say they are wingers for league purposes so therefore park should be a center for league purposes

It's strategy, this is fantasy.. it gives those "plug" type 4th line wingers added value and brings another dimension to the league. IMO, if we're wanting that to happen, we're opening a big can of worms I don't really want to get into. Who's to determine who's a center? You? I mean, is David Steckel a C? Craig Adams? Eric Nystrom? umm.. I'm sure there are dozens of guys in this league that get a good number of FOWs from the wing and how can we possibly regulate that?

We have a system, we use LEGIT sites as proof for eligibility.. if you have a C where CBS has listed as a winger.. well, lucky you!

[Topher]

Fair enough I can respect it when you want to talk about it like that.

[MSP4LYFE]

in this league he should be considered a center becaquse guys have players moved due to the fact that they dont take faceoffs so they say they
are wingers for league purposes so therefore park should be a center for league purposes

By your line of reasoning, and I use the term "reasoning" loosely, Steve Stamkos is a winger...He barely takes any draws and had something like 200 FOW on the season, that's only one example, there are hundreds of others out there.

Are you aware of how many players would be affected if we were to base positions solely off of Face offs? I'm guessing not, let me give you an idea, if we were to make Park a C, than the following also need to be switched,

Dave Steckel
Steve Begin
David Backes
Henrik Zetterberg
Patrik Sharp
Patrick Elias
Claude Giroux
Craig Adams
Dustin Penner

And those are just the wingers that come off the top of my head...The centers who could switch under that line of reasoning are limitless...There are so many listed C's that get next to no faceoffs (Oshie, Krejci, Brassard as examples). There is a reason highly profitable fantasy sites, as well as NHL.com don't list the above players as Centers...

[MSP4LYFE]

Kareem you havent even grown hair on your balls i dont give a fuck how long i have been in the league if ignorant little bastards like you can have an opinion then i sure as hell can.

Ignorance does not preclude one from having an opinion, sheer stupidity on the other hand does...

[Topher]

The point is i know u thrive on some immature shit but being over the top ignorant is just ridiculous after a while and I love how you want to call me an idiot what gives you the right to judge intelligence because if you had any you wouldn't have to try so hard to be above anybody.

[Scott]

in this league he should be considered a center becaquse guys have players moved due to the fact that they dont take faceoffs so they say they
are wingers for league purposes so therefore park should be a center for league purposes

By your line of reasoning, and I use the term "reasoning" loosely, Steve Stamkos is a winger...He barely takes any draws and had something like 200 FOW on the season, that's only one example, there are hundreds of others out there.

Are you aware of how many players would be affected if we were to base positions solely off of Face offs? I'm guessing not, let me give you an idea, if we were to make Park a C, than the following also need to be switched,

Dave Steckel
Steve Begin
David Backes
Henrik Zetterberg
Patrik Sharp
Patrick Elias
Claude Giroux
Craig Adams
Dustin Penner

And those are just the wingers that come off the top of my head...The centers who could switch under that line of reasoning are limitless...There are so many listed C's that get next to no faceoffs (Oshie, Krejci, Brassard as examples). There is a reason highly profitable fantasy sites, as well as NHL.com don't list the above players as Centers...

This is the exact point I made above lol.. I think Toph follow what we're getitng at.

THe way I see it is it would open a huge can of worms I'm sure you don't wanna deal with, Mike & CC neither and I sure as fuck don't want to lol. IMO, this is a game we're playing, if you gain an advantage, kudos to you.. nothing wrong with it at all!!

[MSP4LYFE]

The point is i know u thrive on some immature shit but being over the top ignorant is just ridiculous after a while and I love how you want to call me an idiot what gives you the right to judge intelligence because if you had any you wouldn't have to try so hard to be above anybody.

You don't need to be a genius to identify an idiot...

[Topher]

And as me and Scott talked about in an IM I get that point and I understand when it is explained in a mature way.

[MSP4LYFE]

I think Toph follow what we're getitng at

Porbably, but it's still raining outside...

[MSP4LYFE]

And as me and Scott talked about in an IM I get that point and I understand when it is explained in a mature way.

I'm glad to see you've learned the error in your ways.

[Scott]

I think Toph follow what we're getitng at

Porbably, but it's still raining outside...

bahahaha.. too much lol

[Nick]

in this league he should be considered a center becaquse guys have players moved due to the fact that they dont take faceoffs so they say they are wingers for league purposes so therefore park should be a center for league purposes

It's strategy, this is fantasy.. it gives those "plug" type 4th line wingers added value and brings another dimension to the league. IMO, if we're wanting that to happen, we're opening a big can of worms I don't really want to get into. Who's to determine who's a center? You? I mean, is David Steckel a C? Craig Adams? Eric Nystrom? umm.. I'm sure there are dozens of guys in this league that get a good number of FOWs from the wing and how can we possibly regulate that?

We have a system, we use LEGIT sites as proof for eligibility.. if you have a C where CBS has listed as a winger.. well, lucky you!

adams and steckel are both centers.



uggghh... i continue to forget that if scott and kareem agree on a topic thats the law.

park plays centre... i've watched a lot of islanders games... the stats back it up.. for fuck's sakes... i guess richards plays wing whenever the draw is on the right side of the ice (thats true 5v5, pp & pk) I'd like his position changed... and he plays wing the entire shift too...


i'm trying not to get worked up about it, but look past your own circumstance for once. or lets just say 12 fucking forwards... i wish we could designate 4 players who count towards FOW... shit's dumb.

[MSP4LYFE]

Yes Nick...Park plays Center...Funny, how every single resource has him at winger, wierd coincedence really. You'd think sites that are paid to know these things would be right, but I guess not. What's even funnier is your comment about looking past personal circumstances, this whole debate started when I beat you in FOW in week 18 because of...(drum roll please) Richard Park...This is so clearly geared towards the betterment of your own chances, as opposed to bettering the league. And forgot me and Scott, I've yet to hear anyone else argues against this...Even Toph changed his opinon on the matter.

[Nick]

well... i've encouraged people from day 1 to get their players listed properly... as simple as watching the hockey game


i have no clue if it was park that beat me kareem.. but, that's so far behind me, i was out of the playoffs already... was a nice comeback you made one me, brag about it all you want.. but to suggest i have a grudge from it is dumb.


grioux is as much a winger as richards is ...from game 30 right through the end of the playoffs...


you keep saying these sites are paid to keep this info up to date. sheer bs. they keep their stats up to date... they still list marleau as a C... they still list oshie as a C



watch the game (my god its hard not to swear at your sometimes kareem... i know u watch the games, and i know u watch him take draws and play the majority of his shifts in the position of a centre).... because it means you don't get this loop-hole leg up.... you'll raise hell

lucky for you the other guy (aside from yourself) who gets his way is on your side. moot point i guess... doesn't mean i like it.... or think that its right....

[MSP4LYFE]

well... i've encouraged people from day 1 to get their players listed properly... as simple as watching the hockey game


i have no clue if it was park that beat me kareem.. but, that's so far behind me, i was out of the playoffs already... was a nice comeback you made one me, brag about it all you want.. but to suggest i have a grudge from it is dumb.


grioux is as much a winger as richards is ...from game 30 right through the end of the playoffs...


you keep saying these sites are paid to keep this info up to date. sheer bs. they keep their stats up to date... they still list marleau as a C... they still list oshie as a C



watch the game (my god its hard not to swear at your sometimes kareem... i know u watch the games, and i know u watch him take draws and play the majority of his shifts in the position of a centre).... because it means you don't get this loop-hole leg up.... you'll raise hell

lucky for you the other guy (aside from yourself) who gets his way is on your side. moot point i guess... doesn't mean i like it.... or think that its right....

Oshie does play center...Marleau has dual eligibilty...Yahoo and ESPN in particulaur are paid to get it right, I can tell you from participating in various leagues in both they have the posisition changed almost instanteously, I believe the rule is 7 GP or more at one posisition, and you recieve dual eligibilty for at least 3 months.

Like Scott said, just because you take draws, it does not make you a centerman...Backes takes as many draws as Park, are you going to argue he's a centerman? By contrast, Konopka/Halpern/Lecavalier/St. Louis take a majority of draws for Tampa Bay, does that mean Stamkos is a winger...No matter how you slice it your logic isn't valid here...You keep brining up an advantage, but there is no advantage, for every FOW Park gets from the RS, Stamkos loses in the middle...

And yes, it is hard not to sware at me, I pride myself at getting under the skin of the opposisition, hence the agitator of the year award, or as Hong once put it, biggest douchebag...