WSH/STL

MSP4LYFE · Post by **MSP4LYFE** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:46 pm

To St. Louis:

2012 3rd Rounder (PHI)

To Washington:

Tyler Plante

Post by **Shep** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:50 pm

yyyyyyep

Robin Hood · Post by **Robin Hood** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:55 pm

Good job, Kareem. And smart after the Clemmenson injury.

And Shep you're a class act. There is a group of GMs in this league that holds players "hostage" when only one GM REALLY needs that player. This is especially the case with back-ups. So good show sir.

Post by **kimmer** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:56 pm

Or Shep just had no idea

Robin Hood · Post by **Robin Hood** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:57 pm

H MART wroteCOLONOr Shep just had no idea

I bet Kareem told him if that was the case.

Post by **kimmer** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 8:58 pm

If he did, then kudos. I know how that feels to be on the other end of the stick. Cliff was trying to rape me when I tried to get Salak from him.

Post by **Shep** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:02 pm

I knew he was likely to make the team because of Clemmensen's injury. Kareem PM'd me and said "PHI 3rd Rounder for Tyler Plante" I figured, there is no way I'll ever get this value again for Plante, so I accepted.

No hostage whatsoever, offer and accept. Not even a counter-offer. Quickest talks you can ever have.

MSP4LYFE · Post by **MSP4LYFE** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:04 pm

^ This.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:10 pm

If there's a player being held "hostage" it's because someone like Tokarski will likely be the eventual starter at some point. Why would I trade him away for a 3rd Rounder? Plante, I understand from Shep's perspective because he's right, Plante will likely not be worth a 3rd Rounder down the road.

Tokarski? Salak? How many knew Reimer would be the starter last year? Anything can change, and if there's a perception of a player being held hostage, it's likely for a good reason.

Robin Hood · Post by **Robin Hood** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:12 pm

Shep wroteCOLONI knew he was likely to make the team because of Clemmensen's injury. Kareem PM'd me and said "PHI 3rd Rounder for Tyler Plante" I figured, there is no way I'll ever get this value again for Plante, so I accepted.

No hostage whatsoever, offer and accept. Not even a counter-offer. Quickest talks you can ever have.

Yep. Solid. It also builds a solid trading relationship. Somewhere down the line you may need your back up from Kareem and he'll be happy to help you out. Last year Mik rejected Ville Leino + 2nd DET (32nd overall) for Braden Holtby from me in the span of two weeks where both Varly and Neuvy were injured. Caused me to lose in Round 1 of the Playoffs. Caused Mik to have a 3rd string goalie who will never get that kind of value again.

Robin Hood · Post by **Robin Hood** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:12 pm

Cuntacular Chris wroteCOLONIf there's a player being held "hostage" it's because someone like Tokarski will likely be the eventual starter at some point. Why would I trade him away for a 3rd Rounder? Plante, I understand from Shep's perspective because he's right, Plante will likely not be worth a 3rd Rounder down the road.

Tokarski? Salak? How many knew Reimer would be the starter last year? Anything can change, and if there's a perception of a player being held hostage, it's likely for a good reason.

I was not referring to the Tokarski situation at all. Read above ^.

Post by **kimmer** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:12 pm

Cuntacular Chris wroteCOLONIf there's a player being held "hostage" it's because someone like Tokarski will likely be the eventual starter at some point. Why would I trade him away for a 3rd Rounder? Plante, I understand from Shep's perspective because he's right, Plante will likely not be worth a 3rd Rounder down the road.

Tokarski? Salak? How many knew Reimer would be the starter last year? Anything can change, and if there's a perception of a player being held hostage, it's likely for a good reason.

Nah it's just a dickish move to do for a fucking backup goalie

Robin Hood · Post by **Robin Hood** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:15 pm

H MART wroteCOLON
Cuntacular Chris wroteCOLONIf there's a player being held "hostage" it's because someone like Tokarski will likely be the eventual starter at some point. Why would I trade him away for a 3rd Rounder? Plante, I understand from Shep's perspective because he's right, Plante will likely not be worth a 3rd Rounder down the road.

Tokarski? Salak? How many knew Reimer would be the starter last year? Anything can change, and if there's a perception of a player being held hostage, it's likely for a good reason.
Nah it's just a dickish move to do for a fucking backup goalie

Agreed. Guys like Cory Schneider, Markstrom, Bernier etc I understand. But there's a difference.

Scott · Post by **Scott** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:18 pm

I'm not holding Salak hostage at all. Nobody has even made an offer.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:20 pm

The Devil wroteCOLONI'm not holding Salak hostage at all. Nobody has even made an offer.

I was referring to Paul. Wasn't thinking of you. Honest.

Nick · Post by **Nick** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 12:54 am

Cough Ty Conklin cough

Post by **bills09** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:09 am

Im Guilty of holding a player "Hostage"
If only one GM needs that player obviously im gonna hold out for more value...

See me getting Clarke MacArthur for Ty Conklin last season.

Robin Hood · Post by **Robin Hood** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:28 am

bills09 wroteCOLONIm Guilty of holding a player "Hostage"
If only one GM needs that player obviously im gonna hold out for more value...

That just damages the trade relationship. A back-up goalie should never be held hostage. One day you'll need your back-up and someone else will do the same to you. The wins/losses even out. But the relationship is damaged.

As an example, I recall you talking about how Cliff wanted the world for Giguere when you needed him. A few days later Shooker traded him to you for fair value and you were thrilled.

Post by **bills09** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:32 am

SuperMario wroteCOLON
bills09 wroteCOLONIm Guilty of holding a player "Hostage"
If only one GM needs that player obviously im gonna hold out for more value...
That just damages the trade relationship. A back-up goalie should never be held hostage. One day you'll need your back-up and someone else will do the same to you. The wins/losses even out. But the relationship is damaged.

As an example, I recall you talking about how Cliff wanted the world for Giguere when you needed him. A few days later Shooker traded him to you for fair value and you were thrilled.

It has happened to me lol

Mik wanted Tyler Myers for Holtby

And I went I got Shook Biron in that deal..
it worked because we both got what we needed.
I recall overpaying for Biron as well.

Robin Hood · Post by **Robin Hood** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:40 am

bills09 wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLON
bills09 wroteCOLONIm Guilty of holding a player "Hostage"
If only one GM needs that player obviously im gonna hold out for more value...
That just damages the trade relationship. A back-up goalie should never be held hostage. One day you'll need your back-up and someone else will do the same to you. The wins/losses even out. But the relationship is damaged.

As an example, I recall you talking about how Cliff wanted the world for Giguere when you needed him. A few days later Shooker traded him to you for fair value and you were thrilled.
It has happened to me lol

Mik wanted Tyler Myers for Holtby

And I went I got Shook Biron in that deal..
it worked because we both got what we needed.
I recall overpaying for Biron as well.

Regardless. Should be an unwritten law IMO.

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