CAR/NJD

[Nick]

? I don't see how anyone is calling this a fair deal...Frolik for 2x 1st + 2x 2nd and an upgrade from boychuck to dalpe...

[KapG]

? I don't see how anyone is calling this a fair deal...Frolik for 2x 1st + 2x 2nd and an upgrade from boychuck to dalpe...

yup. I dont know how Frolik pulled that much.

[Shep]

? I don't see how anyone is calling this a fair deal...Frolik for 2x 1st + 2x 2nd and an upgrade from boychuck to dalpe...

Well, Dalpe sucks so that isn't an upgrade.

[Nick]

? I don't see how anyone is calling this a fair deal...Frolik for 2x 1st + 2x 2nd and an upgrade from boychuck to dalpe...

Well, Dalpe sucks so that isn't an upgrade.

He's got more left the Boychuck... neither are someone I'd target, but he's the better of the 2, no? Even if you call it a dead wash...

[Shep]

I'd easily take Boychuk.

I've never been big on Armia either. Klefbom is pretty solid, though.

Frolik given the consistent opportunity, Frolik can get 60pts and 80-100 hits. That's not bad. He's a pretty complete 2nd-3rd liner.

[Scott]

I agree with your assessment on Frolik Shep.. Nick's just a cheap motherfucker.. hence him hating on it. Landing a very talented young NHLer for prospects isn't something that happens in BBKL very often.. Paul made a smart trade imho.

As for the value I received.. I really like the 3 prospects. Armia is a guy I've been high on since before the draft. Kelfbom too. I just figured I had way to many Blackhawk assets and I had good NHL forward depth so I used that to my advantage and grab some assets that could pay off with some patience!

[kimmer]

? I don't see how anyone is calling this a fair deal...Frolik for 2x 1st + 2x 2nd and an upgrade from boychuck to dalpe...

BTW, if you wanna count rounds, Frolik was 10th overall, and the others 20+th's...

[Shep]

People get caught up way too much in prospects, where they were drafted, pre/post-draft hype, etc.


Armia was drafted 16th overall. Let's look at the 16th overall picks from 1999-2008 .. 10 years. Can't judge 2009-2011 yet IMO, not enough time to develop to the NHL.

1999: Dave Tanabe
2000: Marcel Hossa
2001: R.J. Umberger
2002: Jakub Klepis
2003: Steve Bernier
2004: Petteri Nokelainen
2005: Alex Bourret
2006: Ty Wishart
2007: Colton Gillies
2008: Joe Colborne

Klefbom was drafted 19th overall.

1999: Kirill Safronov
2000: Krys Kolanos
2001: Shaone Morrisonn
2002: Jakub Koreis
2003: Ryan Getzlaf
2004: Lauri Korpikoski
2005: Jakub Kindl
2006: Mark Mitera
2007: Logan MacMillan
2008: Luca Sbisa

Not exactly missing out on super-stellar players.

[kimmer]

16th!!! sorry!!

[kimmer]

Colborne/Umberger/Korpikoski/Sbisa all decent players with value anyway... I guess Armia will get some value continously if he does well. Getzlaf the only one worth mentioning

[Nick]

Didn't mean to, nor do i think i jumped down anyone's throat.

60pt forward who has never broken 50, on pace for under 40. I like Frolik, good player, but come on you did this deal because it was a win. 2 firsts and 2 2nds for a 3rd liner is out BBKL or NHL value... So ye, I don't think he's a 60point forward (which puts him top 60 in NHL scoring btw), and I don't think this is a good deal for Paul. But it's his team and he can do as he pleases

I'm totally game for understanding the odds of a draft pick, doesn't change their value in this league though.

[KapG]

still think a better player than Frolik could have been had for those two plus two 2nds.

[Shep]

I never said Frolik is a 60pt player, I said he CAN be a 60pt forward.

[hong57]

luckily im a pussy and nv make deals

[Nick]

Guys we shouldn't be getting butt hurt about differences in perceived value... that is how trades happen!

I think Paul and I get along well, and hope he takes my opinion on his trade for what it's worth: nothing. Wasn't bashing him, shared my breakdown of the trade for discussion purposes -- kinda why we're here...no? (well why our forum is so active!)

[MSP4LYFE]

Guys we shouldn't be getting butt hurt about differences in perceived value... that is how trades happen!

I think Paul and I get along well, and hope he takes my opinion on his trade for what it's worth: nothing. Wasn't bashing him, shared my breakdown of the trade for discussion purposes -- kinda why we're here...no? (well why our forum is so active!)

I miss the old Nick, the political game has changed you bro.

[kimmer]

Nick, I weigh your opinion on my trades very seriously. Next time, please refrain from telling me that I got raped. I do not appreciate it.