Buds Board Keepers League

foofnik wroteCOLONSince my name has been brought up in here I'll chime in.

Call me an asshole but I have ended talks involving a goalie almost instantly with everyone who has inquired thus far. Mrazek has been the main target but Kuemper and Masons names have come up as well, and I have told everyone I'm not moving them right now. I'm in no rush to shake up my roster right now, especially in net. I've had teams loaded with goalies and I've had teams with 0. I know the value in owning viable goalies.

The simple point has already been mentioned, we do our draft before the real one and no one is a magician that can tell where every goalie prospect will be drafted. Before PBHL I had never heard of owning an entire system. What happens when a goalie switches teams in free agency? Or an unknown steals the starting job? This league is has been going on for too long to change the system without screwing a majority of the league. If you want goalies, draft them. Goalie specs are a crapshoot, why punish the GM's taking the risks on drafting them.

Some guys will charge an arm and a leg for a player, that's pretty standard for any position not just goalies. I charge more for some of my pieces and charge less for others. I don't give anything away free (usually) and I don't expect anyone to just be handed to me either. It's give and take. If you want a piece, pay for it.

Matthew wroteCOLONSome people see potential where others dont see potential. If you think the guy being held for a lot isnt going to be a great goalie, then why do you absolutely need him in the first place?

Matthew wroteCOLONSome people see potential where others dont see potential. If you think the guy being held for a lot isnt going to be a great goalie, then why do you absolutely need him in the first place?

Previous SJS GM thought I was insane for wanting to hold onto Dubnyk when he had just purchased the Minny system. He kept offering me a 2nd round pick. He thought he was a forever backup. I looked at his stats on terrible teams and noticed that he put up decent stats on those teams, and consistently outplayed the same teams other goalies by a wide margin. Was I holding a career backup hostage because I wouldnt trade him for a 2nd?

Matthew wroteCOLONSome people see potential where others dont see potential. If you think the guy being held for a lot isnt going to be a great goalie, then why do you absolutely need him in the first place?

foofnik wroteCOLON

Matthew wroteCOLONSome people see potential where others dont see potential. If you think the guy being held for a lot isnt going to be a great goalie, then why do you absolutely need him in the first place?

This^^

Why pay for a goalie to complete a system when you don't think they're worth much to begin with. Get a starter, a backup, some goalie specs for the future, and you're fine. This whole "need" to complete a system makes no sense to me. If you don't want to draft/develop/acquire goalies, well that's your own decision/problem and not something the league should bending over to fix.

Sensfanjosh wroteCOLON

Matthew wroteCOLONSome people see potential where others dont see potential. If you think the guy being held for a lot isnt going to be a great goalie, then why do you absolutely need him in the first place?

Previous SJS GM thought I was insane for wanting to hold onto Dubnyk when he had just purchased the Minny system. He kept offering me a 2nd round pick. He thought he was a forever backup. I looked at his stats on terrible teams and noticed that he put up decent stats on those teams, and consistently outplayed the same teams other goalies by a wide margin. Was I holding a career backup hostage because I wouldnt trade him for a 2nd?

A 2nd is pretty standard price for backups in BBKL having Eric insist that that was the price is not a slight on him, but having held onto him you're likely to profit unless he falters next year, its the risk you take. My point about Soderstrom in my own personal experience, is its not about 'absolutely needing him' but about having the security of a complete system, and that is worth something in the league where two or three goalie injuries aren't uncommon and can press sub-par goalies into service which is where a complete system is handy. I'm not quite sure why you see a lot of potential in Soderstrom as an aside as he's posted pretty average or below average numbers in development leagues, and wasn't a high pick to begin with etc etc etc.

Backups in the NHL are moved for 3rds and 5ths etc and here guys are paying 2nds and 1sts which makes it really difficult for rebuilders because if they don't move the picks they miss GGP and if they do they have a system but can't draft the high end talent they need.

Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONOne last post then I'm done with the topic, but most of those defending the current system as newer GMs who have had the privledge of starting off with goalies. I think if you ever find yourself in the predicament of needing to acquire a starter to meet GP as a rebuilding team your attitude towards goalies might be more sympathetic to the problem Chuck and I are trying to get at here, I'm pretty sure Lee is also in agreement with us on this as well, not sure who else.

Chuck Norris wroteCOLONI do want to point out that in my history in BBKL I have put together systems for MTL (complete build), CLB (near complete build - since broken up), NJD (complete build) and now working on VAN. So I feel like I have a little more experience than most in terms of what people charge for goalies as part of systems.

In Fraser's case for example I think you'll have a little more perspective on things when Vasi either a) doesn't play half his team's games or b) does but gets hurt long term - and you miss GP. Because you lose goalie cats every week you drop in the standings to say a top 2 pick; but then that gets fined for missing GP. Suddenly you feel the need to acquire a goalie to make GP requirements and you'll see what people are going to charge you for one of their spare starters...

This is all I am going to say on the topic. Clearly there isn't the stomach for entertaining the idea so I'll let the idea die right here. Gonna go out and draft me a bunch of goalies now...

Fraser wroteCOLON

Chuck Norris wroteCOLONI do want to point out that in my history in BBKL I have put together systems for MTL (complete build), CLB (near complete build - since broken up), NJD (complete build) and now working on VAN. So I feel like I have a little more experience than most in terms of what people charge for goalies as part of systems.

In Fraser's case for example I think you'll have a little more perspective on things when Vasi either a) doesn't play half his team's games or b) does but gets hurt long term - and you miss GP. Because you lose goalie cats every week you drop in the standings to say a top 2 pick; but then that gets fined for missing GP. Suddenly you feel the need to acquire a goalie to make GP requirements and you'll see what people are going to charge you for one of their spare starters...

This is all I am going to say on the topic. Clearly there isn't the stomach for entertaining the idea so I'll let the idea die right here. Gonna go out and draft me a bunch of goalies now...

Ayyyeee don't burry me quite yet. Been having quite a few goalie related discussions as of late, a lot of time between now and when I may hit a potential point of desperation due to injury and/or players not following the trajectories I have mapped out for them.

Matthew wroteCOLONSome people see potential where others dont see potential. If you think the guy being held for a lot isnt going to be a great goalie, then why do you absolutely need him in the first place?

Matthew wroteCOLONPrevious SJS GM thought I was insane for wanting to hold onto Dubnyk when he had just purchased the Minny system. He kept offering me a 2nd round pick. He thought he was a forever backup. I looked at his stats on terrible teams and noticed that he put up decent stats on those teams, and consistently outplayed the same teams other goalies by a wide margin. Was I holding a career backup hostage because I wouldnt trade him for a 2nd?

kyuss wroteCOLONanyway, if majority and CC will feel the need to put a limit to the # of goalies a team can own it won't be the end of the world (as long as it doesn't apply too soon, hurting teams that may be already over the limit after this draft)

The BBKL Insider wroteCOLON

kyuss wroteCOLONanyway, if majority and CC will feel the need to put a limit to the # of goalies a team can own it won't be the end of the world (as long as it doesn't apply too soon, hurting teams that may be already over the limit after this draft)

This is probably not a bad idea (i'm not on either side of this argument so i really dont care)

but i see a game limit for goalies in the minors as a benefit to the league.