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Mike wroteCOLON

SuperMario wroteCOLONCommon sense should prevail.

What is your proposal?

Ideas have been thrown out by people:

CAM: Trade exemption for Goalies
Me: Trade Deadline after the NHL. Who cares if it would be in Week 20/21?

It should be discussed. No contender should have their season ruined by an NHL trade. We are not the NHL. We can't emulate everything.

SuperMario wroteCOLON

Mike wroteCOLON

SuperMario wroteCOLONCommon sense should prevail.

What is your proposal?

Ideas have been thrown out by people:

CAM: Trade exemption for Goalies
Me: Trade Deadline after the NHL. Who cares if it would be in Week 20/21?

It should be discussed. No contender should have their season ruined by an NHL trade. We are not the NHL. We can't emulate everything.

A) How would this work?

B) If we had the trade deadline after the NHL deadline this year it would be for playoffs only. That sounds like it would be a lot of fun.

CAM was in a discussion where we tried to find a way to word an exemption, but none was found that wouldn't have larger consequences than it did benefits.

blues wroteCOLON

SuperMario wroteCOLON

Mike wroteCOLON

SuperMario wroteCOLONCommon sense should prevail.

What is your proposal?

Ideas have been thrown out by people:

CAM: Trade exemption for Goalies
Me: Trade Deadline after the NHL. Who cares if it would be in Week 20/21?

It should be discussed. No contender should have their season ruined by an NHL trade. We are not the NHL. We can't emulate everything.

A) How would this work?

B) If we had the trade deadline after the NHL deadline this year it would be for playoffs only. That sounds like it would be a lot of fun.

I have to think about A. Initial instinct says that goalie trades should be allowed post-NHL deadline with a maximum of 1 NHL skater (someone who has played more than 30 games in the season) involved. This would prevent people from swapping systems for the hell of it to make a different type of trade. OR just make it goalie swaps cannot involve NHL skaters. Only prospects/picks. And that can be allowed up until the Monday after the NHL deadline. OR you can provide an "exemption" to GMs who have had one of their goalies traded/their system affected. E.g. if Halak ended up in Minny, Shep would be allowed to make a move. As would Hong with Luongo going to FLA.

But more thought would need to be put into it.

Personally, I see NOTHING wrong with B. It's a simple solution. GMs should be allowed to adjust based on big trades that are happening. This isn't a small thing. And in non-olympic years, the NHL deadline would not be so close to playoffs. We'd still have a 1-2 week buffer I believe.

blues wroteCOLONThat sounds like it would be a lot of fun.

Also, I'm in this league for fun! When realism (which doesn't fit in this case) ruins a year's worth of fun for a contender due to a goalie trade, that is devastating. Not to mention it would be wicked fun to talk trade with all these names moving. Just like the Olympic break would have been for trade activity.

Last year we had a 1-2 week buffer (i'd have to check which), and virtually everyone bitched about how close to the playoffs that is, and how much of a waste of time it was.

that was in an 11 week season.


This deadline does force GMs to make a decision, to make a few calls, and does so at a time that many final pushes are still possible. Everything shouldn't be decided at the trade-deadline - haven't seen you give any reference to it's actual value/impact outside of 'mirroring the NHL'.

Nick wroteCOLONLast year we had a 1-2 week buffer (i'd have to check which), and virtually everyone bitched about how close to the playoffs that is, and how much of a waste of time it was.

that was in an 11 week season.


This deadline does force GMs to make a decision, to make a few calls, and does so at a time that many final pushes are still possible. Everything shouldn't be decided at the trade-deadline - haven't seen you give any reference to it's actual value/impact outside of 'mirroring the NHL'.

What? Where is the value in mirroring the NHL when it is unnecessary? Should we begin simulating 82 game seasons? Away games and Home games? Home team gets last line change?

I haven't seen a valid counter to the "goalie-exemption" idea at all. It is something we should be constructive about and not destructive. I am willing to concede that my "fuck the trade" deadline position is too extreme for most. But the goalie-exemption idea is a happy medium. If MIN traded for Halak tomorrow, for example, what is wrong with giving Shep a "trade exemption" to solve his goalies by Monday? Is it better to tell him "tough" and call it an end to his season?

the value in the trade deadline which you're not alluding to is in the forced decision point when so many players are still in the field.

IMO if the Trade Deadline was tomorrow, 7 of the 8 series are already known. You won't see the 6-11 seats tooling up for a push.

the trade deadline would be nothing but elite teams getting valuable players for cheap.


with 3-5 weeks out, you have meaningful trades, GM needs to decide if he's comfortable with his goal-tending, depth and injury situation.

Nick wroteCOLONthe value in the trade deadline which you're not alluding to is in the forced decision point when so many players are still in the field.

IMO if the Trade Deadline was tomorrow, 7 of the 8 series are already known. You won't see the 6-11 seats tooling up for a push.

the trade deadline would be nothing but elite teams getting valuable players for cheap.


with 3-5 weeks out, you have meaningful trades, GM needs to decide if he's comfortable with his goal-tending, depth and injury situation.

Again...

SuperMario wroteCOLONI haven't seen a valid counter to the "goalie-exemption" idea at all. It is something we should be constructive about and not destructive. If MIN traded for Halak tomorrow, for example, what is wrong with giving Shep a "trade exemption" to solve his goalies by Monday? Is it better to tell him "tough" and call it an end to his season?

there were attempts at a special exemption (albeit in tight timeline), some question the validity of needing it, a goalie/system has value related to it's stability and depth, what's the point of framing the trade?, what about the loop-holes caused? We have seen each year that if there is a loop-hole we have many GMs that will abuse it.

No one is saying ' no never an exemption to allow a goalie trade after our deadline' but currently one that is usable has not been tabled.


FWIW - I doubt Shep demands an exemption be made, I believe he'd admit to knowing his goalie situation and knew this could potentially arise.

Nick wroteCOLONbut currently one that is usable has not been tabled.

Every time this topic is brought up, I hear this instead of people trying to be constructive. It really isn't hard to frame this. It's just a matter of will power/people's willingness to find a solution with an open mind. If the CC wants me to do it, I will. Or if you'd like to discuss it yourself, go for it. But I know it can be framed.

no one is stopping you from making suggestions.

Damn lost a precious GP in that MacDonald trade.

watching FLA vs BOS shows how far apart those two teams are -> trading chances when FLA is on the PP, hahahah

Nick wroteCOLONno one is stopping you from making suggestions.

I already made one. And said it needed work. But I'll post it again because I assume you didn't read it as you were focused on arguing:

SuperMario wroteCOLONI have to think about A. Initial instinct says that goalie trades should be allowed post-NHL deadline with a maximum of 1 NHL skater (someone who has played more than 30 games in the season) involved. This would prevent people from swapping systems for the hell of it to make a different type of trade. OR just make it goalie swaps cannot involve NHL skaters. Only prospects/picks. And that can be allowed up until the Monday after the NHL deadline.

OR you can provide an "exemption" to GMs who have had one of their goalies traded/their system affected. E.g. if Halak ended up in Minny, Shep would be allowed to make a move. As would Hong with Luongo going to FLA.

Exemptions make things more complicated ... having our deadline the lock after the real NHL deadline is not a big deal.

SuperMario wroteCOLONIs it better to tell him "tough" and call it an end to his season?

That would be my vote, yes.

Dear Mike/Shep/CC,

Here is my formulation of the Goalie-Exemption trading rule. I will be PMing it to you also.

Thank you in advance for discussing this matter,

-Shiv

SuperMario wroteCOLONGoalie-Exemption Trading Rule

At the BBKL Trade Deadline, each BBKL GM must provide a list of Two (2) Goaltenders on their team that will be subject to the Goalie-Exemption Trading Rule.

If at the NHL Trade Deadline:
A) One (1) of those two (2) goaltenders on the "Goalie-Exemption" List is traded; OR
B) One (1) of those two (2) goaltenders is supplanted by an incoming player that the real life NHL team acquires via trade

Said team will be allowed to make a maximum of two (2) trades to facilitate a recovery and replenishment of goaltenders for the sake of GP and system completion for the BBKL playoffs.

*Note: Any such "goalie-exemption" trade would have to be approved by the CC after both parties have confirmed the trade so as to ensure that the trade has been made in good faith and not with the intention of circumventing the BBKL Trade Deadline.

blues wroteCOLON

SuperMario wroteCOLONIs it better to tell him "tough" and call it an end to his season?

That would be my vote, yes.

I vote no

We will discuss it for sure, Shiv.

BTW, I'm much more interested in a goalie exemption thing than a later trade deadline. Though, where the NHL deadline is next year and when our regular season ends will be the driving factor as we went from lockout to Olympics so the last 2 years have been fucked up.

anyone see the video floating around today of that guy giving the homeless dude a $1000 winning lottery ticket. that shit wrecked me, im getting soft in my old age

anton wroteCOLONanyone see the video floating around today of that guy giving the homeless dude a $1000 winning lottery ticket. that shit wrecked me, im getting soft in my old age

You and me both man. That was golden..