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Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 1:27 am
by Robin Hood
Matthew wroteCOLONShiv and I both typically start way outside our best possible offers. One of these days we will make our way to the middle, and it will be a fair deal. I find in depth negotiations to be fun. Some really great discussions can come out of them.
These noobs don't understand us Matthew!

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 6:35 am
by KapG
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONShiv and I both typically start way outside our best possible offers. One of these days we will make our way to the middle, and it will be a fair deal. I find in depth negotiations to be fun. Some really great discussions can come out of them.
These noobs don't understand us Matthew!
I know exactly how u work shiv. How long have I been in this league with you?

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 6:36 am
by KapG
Lee wroteCOLONsays the guy named kapg
Its my full name in acronym form. Its actually quite brilliant and I've been using it for like 10 years or so! Thanks for coming out though.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 6:38 am
by KapG
Matthew wroteCOLONShiv and I both typically start way outside our best possible offers. One of these days we will make our way to the middle, and it will be a fair deal. I find in depth negotiations to be fun. Some really great discussions can come out of them.
I dont have time for that kind of bs. Just hit me with a good offer so it can be done with. The countering of bad offers gets tiring.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 7:11 am
by Robin Hood
KapG wroteCOLON
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONShiv and I both typically start way outside our best possible offers. One of these days we will make our way to the middle, and it will be a fair deal. I find in depth negotiations to be fun. Some really great discussions can come out of them.
These noobs don't understand us Matthew!
I know exactly how u work shiv. How long have I been in this league with you?
You seem to already have your mind made up. A lot has changed. oh well

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 7:49 am
by The BBKL Insider
Shivs offers have all been reasonable to me so far. Nothing close enough to get done, but not too bad.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 7:53 am
by Sensfanjosh
KapG wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONShiv and I both typically start way outside our best possible offers. One of these days we will make our way to the middle, and it will be a fair deal. I find in depth negotiations to be fun. Some really great discussions can come out of them.
I dont have time for that kind of bs. Just hit me with a good offer so it can be done with. The countering of bad offers gets tiring.
So much yes. Hate arguing about value for 3 hours only to have the other party admit yeah it was bad/ a rape attempt from the begining now here's something more reasonable. Not directed at Shiv btw, usually we have good, quick talks.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:11 am
by Robin Hood
Sensfanjosh wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONShiv and I both typically start way outside our best possible offers. One of these days we will make our way to the middle, and it will be a fair deal. I find in depth negotiations to be fun. Some really great discussions can come out of them.
I dont have time for that kind of bs. Just hit me with a good offer so it can be done with. The countering of bad offers gets tiring.
So much yes. Hate arguing about value for 3 hours only to have the other party admit yeah it was bad/ a rape attempt from the begining now here's something more reasonable.
It's funny. I actually believe this too but when you actually get to talking to people, there is so much positioning and posturing and haggling and bargaining that happens that I call BS on anyone actually feeling this way.

Negotiations are the name of the game and everyone is playing it. I just wish people would come right out and say it instead of pretending like they're made of pure ivory.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:14 am
by Lee
Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one in the league who doesn't play those games.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:15 am
by Robin Hood
Lee wroteCOLONSometimes I feel like I'm the only one in the league who doesn't play those games.
I was just about to say that you're one of the few people who own it.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:21 am
by Sensfanjosh
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Sensfanjosh wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONShiv and I both typically start way outside our best possible offers. One of these days we will make our way to the middle, and it will be a fair deal. I find in depth negotiations to be fun. Some really great discussions can come out of them.
I dont have time for that kind of bs. Just hit me with a good offer so it can be done with. The countering of bad offers gets tiring.
So much yes. Hate arguing about value for 3 hours only to have the other party admit yeah it was bad/ a rape attempt from the begining now here's something more reasonable.
It's funny. I actually believe this too but when you actually get to talking to people, there is so much positioning and posturing and haggling and bargaining that happens that I call BS on anyone actually feeling this way.

Negotiations are the name of the game and everyone is playing it. I just wish people would come right out and say it instead of pretending like they're made of pure ivory.
Its not that no one tries to get the best of every deal, but some start so far apart that the process of even countering doesn't make sense. Being asked for Laughton+Ehlers+Ritchie+ for a bottom line forward for example is not a good way to start talks if you want me to come back with a reasonable counter. Asking for Laughton for a forward at least is something to work with, though I'd still reject it most likely. It's being able to demonstrate you are trying to make something happen that benefits both sides that needs to occur, otherwise its a waste of time like KapG said.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:34 am
by Fraser
Lee wroteCOLONSometimes I feel like I'm the only one in the league who doesn't play those games.
Feel the same about myself. I suppose you guys would be better evaluators of that than me. But I feel my offers are fairly straight to the point. Try for the hail marry pass every now and again, but I have thrown out offers I was sceptical about that were accepted.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:45 am
by kimmer
U guys kidding me lol nobody should be taking some self bloated credit for being fair nobody. Including myself.
Everyone here is a rapist and thats that

What a funny series of posts guys

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:52 am
by KapG
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Sensfanjosh wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONShiv and I both typically start way outside our best possible offers. One of these days we will make our way to the middle, and it will be a fair deal. I find in depth negotiations to be fun. Some really great discussions can come out of them.
I dont have time for that kind of bs. Just hit me with a good offer so it can be done with. The countering of bad offers gets tiring.
So much yes. Hate arguing about value for 3 hours only to have the other party admit yeah it was bad/ a rape attempt from the begining now here's something more reasonable.
It's funny. I actually believe this too but when you actually get to talking to people, there is so much positioning and posturing and haggling and bargaining that happens that I call BS on anyone actually feeling this way.

Negotiations are the name of the game and everyone is playing it. I just wish people would come right out and say it instead of pretending like they're made of pure ivory.
I'll posture sometimes but more often than not I try not to fuck around unless its regarding minor things like mid/late picks.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:52 am
by KapG
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLON
Robin Hood wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONShiv and I both typically start way outside our best possible offers. One of these days we will make our way to the middle, and it will be a fair deal. I find in depth negotiations to be fun. Some really great discussions can come out of them.
These noobs don't understand us Matthew!
I know exactly how u work shiv. How long have I been in this league with you?
You seem to already have your mind made up. A lot has changed. oh well
I never said it was a bad thing....

I've always been a shiv fan.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:54 am
by KapG
kimmer wroteCOLONU guys kidding me lol nobody should be taking some self bloated credit for being fair nobody. Including myself.
Everyone here is a rapist and thats that

What a funny series of posts guys
Some of the starting offer I get make me want to just block certain GMs...(not that I ever would)

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:55 am
by KapG
Fraser wroteCOLON
Lee wroteCOLONSometimes I feel like I'm the only one in the league who doesn't play those games.
Feel the same about myself. I suppose you guys would be better evaluators of that than me. But I feel my offers are fairly straight to the point. Try for the hail marry pass every now and again, but I have thrown out offers I was sceptical about that were accepted.
Lol, Lee is admitting to sending terrible offers if I'm reading that right.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:56 am
by kimmer
It's also mostly perception problem as well. I can mostly tell that the opposing gm offer to be either genuine but the guy has no clue how much I value the said inquired player hence making it seem rape to me, or just straight fuck around don't care type offers

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 8:58 am
by Lee
KapG wroteCOLON
Fraser wroteCOLON
Lee wroteCOLONSometimes I feel like I'm the only one in the league who doesn't play those games.
Feel the same about myself. I suppose you guys would be better evaluators of that than me. But I feel my offers are fairly straight to the point. Try for the hail marry pass every now and again, but I have thrown out offers I was sceptical about that were accepted.
Lol, Lee is admitting to sending terrible offers if I'm reading that right.

It's almost like different people value different players differently.

Re: Chicago Summer Block

PostedCOLON Thu May 14, 2015 9:01 am
by KapG
Lee wroteCOLON
KapG wroteCOLON
Fraser wroteCOLON
Lee wroteCOLONSometimes I feel like I'm the only one in the league who doesn't play those games.
Feel the same about myself. I suppose you guys would be better evaluators of that than me. But I feel my offers are fairly straight to the point. Try for the hail marry pass every now and again, but I have thrown out offers I was sceptical about that were accepted.
Lol, Lee is admitting to sending terrible offers if I'm reading that right.

It's almost like different people value different players differently.
Ur out to lunch most of the time with ur player values but ur still a good guy.