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Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:30 am
by CasperX22
Cock blocked nothing. He didn't want Hossa. Hossa is still on the block if anyone wants to make an offer.
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:34 am
by Robin Hood
Actually, Casper and I have discussed this deal in detail and I don't agree with any of you. This is not a slam post. Some things to consider:
Hossa is 36.
Next year, Hossa will be 37
If you truly believe in player attrition, 37 is a deadly age to be at
Which would be okay if I win this year, but I don't think I'm close to a favourite
Not to mention 3 roster players for 1 is usually a bad deal unless the 1 player is significantly better
Cooke is 37 but Schultz and Talbot are 30/31 and have many years of solid periph production left
I'd much rather move the package for a younger player who is worse than Hossa
I do believe Hossa is an "exception" but given players like MSL, Selanne, Alfie, Lidstrom, Chara, Timonen, Elias to name just a few elite players who have had their stats attrition off does not make me trust Hossa's production for more than 1-2 eyars.
CGY's pick will be 16-24...I believe I can find a solid player there who will likely be worth more than Hossa at the draft next year.
FYI - I love Hossa as a player and will likely pay for him in the future so again, not a slam post. He's a championship piece. Just does not have many years left.
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:40 am
by The BBKL Insider
the players your offering have less hockey in them than Hossa. That's the difference.
the only piece of any value is that 1st, and that flames team will be top 3 or 4 in the west, so it will be in the 20 range.
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:43 am
by Robin Hood
The BBKL Insider wroteCOLONthe players your offering have less hockey in them than Hossa. That's the difference.
the only piece of any value is that 1st, and that flames team will be top 3 or 4 in the west, so it will be in the 20 range.
On having "less hockey" -- you have not read up on any stats regarding attrition then.
On being in the 20s -- sure, I can find a great player there. I believe in my drafting.
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:44 am
by Sensfanjosh
Robin Hood wroteCOLONThe BBKL Insider wroteCOLONthe players your offering have less hockey in them than Hossa. That's the difference.
the only piece of any value is that 1st, and that flames team will be top 3 or 4 in the west, so it will be in the 20 range.
On having "less hockey" -- you have not read up on any stats regarding attrition then.
On being in the 20s -- sure, I can find a great player there.
I believe in my drafting.
This is the funniest thing I've seen in awhile, when was your last draft pick?
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:45 am
by Robin Hood
Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONRobin Hood wroteCOLONThe BBKL Insider wroteCOLONthe players your offering have less hockey in them than Hossa. That's the difference.
the only piece of any value is that 1st, and that flames team will be top 3 or 4 in the west, so it will be in the 20 range.
On having "less hockey" -- you have not read up on any stats regarding attrition then.
On being in the 20s -- sure, I can find a great player there.
I believe in my drafting.
This is the funniest thing I've seen in awhile, when was your last draft pick?
Many people don't know this, but there was a time when my team was all draft picks and prospects. I drafted deep in the 2011 draft I think? Players I took in late rounds: Gudas, Mark Stone. Had like 7 1st round picks.
I just don't like putting in that time. But I will now. I think it's the way to win in this league.
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:49 am
by Sensfanjosh
If you're talking about 2011 you had 3 of the top 5 picks, not really a big skill drafting that high
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:50 am
by Robin Hood
Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONIf you're talking about 2011 you had 3 of the top 5 picks, not really a big skill drafting that high
Basically ignored the Gudas/Stone points to be a troll huh? Cool.
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:52 am
by Sensfanjosh
Robin Hood wroteCOLONSensfanjosh wroteCOLONIf you're talking about 2011 you had 3 of the top 5 picks, not really a big skill drafting that high
Basically ignored the Gudas/Stone points to be a troll huh? Cool.
Havne't found where you drafted them yet
134 for Gudas
171 for Stone
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:54 am
by Robin Hood
Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONRobin Hood wroteCOLONSensfanjosh wroteCOLONIf you're talking about 2011 you had 3 of the top 5 picks, not really a big skill drafting that high
Basically ignored the Gudas/Stone points to be a troll huh? Cool.
Havne't found where you drafted them yet
Gudas (134th overall):
http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=134 ... das#p10378
Stone (171st overall):
http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=134 ... one#p10879
Marchenko (180th overall):
http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=134 ... one#p10923
My 2011 team full of prospects with transactions:
http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5506
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:07 am
by kimmer
Damn mmm.
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:13 am
by kyuss
still remember that pick.. was quietly awaiting for him with my 7th rounder
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:21 am
by kimmer
DAMN josh got pwnt
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:27 pm
by cliff11
Lucic for Kadri and the flames first
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:05 pm
by Robin Hood
cliff11 wroteCOLONLucic for Kadri and the flames first
No means no.
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:07 pm
by foofnik
Robin Hood wroteCOLONcliff11 wroteCOLONLucic for Kadri and the flames first
No means no.
No means yes and yes means anal
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:15 pm
by Chuck Norris
foofnik wroteCOLONRobin Hood wroteCOLONcliff11 wroteCOLONLucic for Kadri and the flames first
No means no.
No means yes and yes means anal
BAHAHAHAHAHAHA....I need to save that one LOL.
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:35 pm
by Robin Hood
foofnik wroteCOLONRobin Hood wroteCOLONcliff11 wroteCOLONLucic for Kadri and the flames first
No means no.
No means yes and yes means anal
Did you get that from Honest Signalz?
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 2:42 pm
by foofnik
Robin Hood wroteCOLONfoofnik wroteCOLONRobin Hood wroteCOLONcliff11 wroteCOLONLucic for Kadri and the flames first
No means no.
No means yes and yes means anal
Did you get that from Honest Signalz?
It's been around so long I have no idea where I got it from
Re: Package: Talbot, N. Schultz, Cooke, 1st CGY 2016
PostedCOLON Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:09 pm
by Matthew
Its pretty difficult to rationalize giving up a 1st for a 36 yr old winger, imo, unless one is absolutely ready to compete. Like, the last piece.