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KapG wroteCOLON

Bruyns wroteCOLONI think it is a good trade for you.

When talking about value, I mean based on contract. Jones is better than whatever prospect Steve drafts 5th overall for at least the next three years I would say and maybe for their whole careers. I just feel a 9.5M cap hit hurts his value a little and feel Steve did very well to get a pick that high when the amount of teams that would be interested in Jones for a high 1st might not be many. I'd take a slightly less productive 5M Dman and the cap space to spend on other players personally, but like I said you don't have cap problems so it makes sense.

If Steve offered me Jones for the 15th I would say no and I don't think I'm the only one as other GMs would have a hard time fitting in Jones without moving other good players out. Having cap space is an asset and when you are tight to the cap it makes you view player value differently.

I get what you’re saying when you are taking each teams cap into consideration but I’m just talking about the value of this pick and jones in a vacuum.

Bruyns wroteCOLONLets make KapG more dangerous.

MacKinnon
for
Bolduc
Pelletier
Dean
McLeod
2023 1st

Shoalzie wroteCOLONThe biggest x-factor when trading a player for a draft pick...is the player that could be picked at the spot you're trading potentially more valuable than the player you're acquiring from now into the future?
You're not acquiring their past success...you're acquiring the player from this point on.

Seth Jones at 27 is still productive and can still very useful to a team trying to compete. Would you rather have a proven commodity like him or would rather keep the pick and draft a player that may or may not help you right away?

If you want to compete in the league...you need to hit that sweet spot with your roster where your young players are productive and you have productive established players as well. If your young players aren't productive right now and can't help you win...you're probably better off to not push the panic button and go acquire a veteran at the expense of drafting another player to add to your young core.

You see Matthew having a contending team while he has a mix of veterans as well as young productive players like Seider and Makar. Matt is obviously our reigning champ with mostly established players but he gets a lot of production out a young player like Svechnikov.

My concern with adding a veteran/established player...you don't want to acquire a player that will be most productive when your team is mostly not at their best. As I put it...you're wasting that player's production while being on uncompetitive team. If you're becoming a competitive team, then you should lean into that and add players that are going to help you.

Matthew wroteCOLONWould have laughed if he accepted it just cuz he would have a year of mackinnon at a nice 6m but then he himself would be in a world of cap trouble with mackinnon probably jumping to 12m next year

Shoalzie wroteCOLONWhen Mike acquired Auston Matthews and Connor McDavid as draftees...he had a few years where he had those guys while they were on their ELC and they were obviously productive players right away. It made them super-valuable because their AAV was reasonable.

Now that their both highly-paid and still very productive...do have less value? The value is still very high but the higher salary just means you have less options as to how you can do to round out your lineup. To me, you just have to be more creative with you build the roster around them.

There seems to a stigma attached to players over 30 and players making above $7 million. I think you can win with veterans and high salaries...they just have to be right players and obviously need to figure out who are the players that can compliment those stars.

Matthew wroteCOLONGreat cap deals will be less available when cap starts rising at healthy pace

Matthew wroteCOLONWould have laughed if he accepted it just cuz he would have a year of mackinnon at a nice 6m but then he himself would be in a world of cap trouble with mackinnon probably jumping to 12m next year

Shoalzie wroteCOLONWhen Mike acquired Auston Matthews and Connor McDavid as draftees...he had a few years where he had those guys while they were on their ELC and they were obviously productive players right away. It made them super-valuable because their AAV was reasonable.

Shoalzie wroteCOLONWhen Mike acquired Auston Matthews and Connor McDavid as draftees...he had a few years where he had those guys while they were on their ELC and they were obviously productive players right away. It made them super-valuable because their AAV was reasonable.

Now that their both highly-paid and still very productive...do have less value? The value is still very high but the higher salary just means you have less options as to how you can do to round out your lineup. To me, you just have to be more creative with you build the roster around them.

There seems to a stigma attached to players over 30 and players making above $7 million. I think you can win with veterans and high salaries...they just have to be right players and obviously need to figure out who are the players that can compliment those stars.