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Re: Couple Options - You Need Depth? Quality Depth?

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:14 pm
by Scott
The Devil wroteCOLONTrading Tarasenko in an hour if nobody gives me something better.

PM/MSN me.
Nevermind then, the guy backed out like a woman.. Tarasenko's still available to the highest bidder.

Carry on..

Re: Couple Options - You Need Depth? Quality Depth?

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:15 pm
by Chris
Is Tarasenko even playing in St. Louis this year?

Re: Couple Options - You Need Depth? Quality Depth?

PostedCOLON Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:22 pm
by Shep
No

Re: Couple Options - You Need Depth? Quality Depth?

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:57 am
by Nick
hockeysense wroteCOLONIs Tarasenko even playing in St. Louis this year?

that means his value will stay high for at least another year. the unknown is just so attractive!!!

Re: Couple Options - You Need Depth? Quality Depth?

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:45 am
by armandtanzarian
Nick wroteCOLON
hockeysense wroteCOLONIs Tarasenko even playing in St. Louis this year?

that means his value will stay high for at least another year. the unknown is just so attractive!!!

oh snap! so true.

Re: Couple Options - You Need Depth? Quality Depth?

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 6:52 am
by KapG
Listen to the two of you...

Just because you guys aren't a fan of buying prospects (elite ones at that), doesn't mean it's a bad idea!!!!!!!!

It's all about trying to find a balance.

Re: Couple Options - You Need Depth? Quality Depth?

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 12:33 pm
by Scott
KapG wroteCOLONListen to the two of you...

Just because you guys aren't a fan of buying prospects (elite ones at that), doesn't mean it's a bad idea!!!!!!!!

It's all about trying to find a balance.
THEY NEED TO STOP ME!!! :D

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:02 pm
by Scott
updated

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:32 pm
by kimmer
Extremely interested in Olli Jokinen

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:48 pm
by Robin Hood
H MART wroteCOLONExtremely interested in Olli Jokinen
LOL.

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:53 pm
by Scott
SuperMario wroteCOLON
H MART wroteCOLONExtremely interested in Olli Jokinen
LOL.
Why's that funny? He's not lying..

Just because you don't like Olli doesn't mean he's not any good. He's averaging 64 pts over his last 5 years and is still a lock for 50+ pts today. Sure, he isn't a massive periph guy but he brings solid FOWs, PIMs and hits. He's still a very serviceable C in BBKL.. especially with a decent hit of 3 million.

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 2:55 pm
by Robin Hood
The Devil wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLON
H MART wroteCOLONExtremely interested in Olli Jokinen
LOL.
Why's that funny? He's not lying..

Just because you don't like Olli doesn't mean he's not any good. He's averaging 64 pts over his last 5 years and is still a lock for 50+ pts today. Sure, he isn't a massive periph guy but he brings solid FOWs, PIMs and hits. He's still a very serviceable C in BBKL.. especially with a decent hit of 3 million.
LOL Jokinen is terrible.

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:03 pm
by Scott
Well, team bulding 101. I bet 90% of the people in this league would LOVE to have Datsyuk and his 6.7 million cap hit. Now, Dats and Olli are about the same age. Olli makes less then half of what Datsyuk does. So it should make sense that Olli is less then half as good as Dats. FTR, 2 Olli's and a 700k player is far superior to Datsyuk. Now, I'm not saying I'd make this trade because in this league age is 1st and name is 2nd when it comes to making a trade.

But by your standards, Datsyuk's even worse then Jokinen is. In terms of value per dollar, Olli is better.. it's a fact.

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:04 pm
by fedro91
SuperMario wroteCOLON
The Devil wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLON
H MART wroteCOLONExtremely interested in Olli Jokinen
LOL.
Why's that funny? He's not lying..

Just because you don't like Olli doesn't mean he's not any good. He's averaging 64 pts over his last 5 years and is still a lock for 50+ pts today. Sure, he isn't a massive periph guy but he brings solid FOWs, PIMs and hits. He's still a very serviceable C in BBKL.. especially with a decent hit of 3 million.
LOL Jokinen is terrible.

You even gave me Jokinen for free last year when i was Dallas. LOL!!!

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:06 pm
by Scott
fedro91 wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLON
The Devil wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLON
H MART wroteCOLONExtremely interested in Olli Jokinen
LOL.
Why's that funny? He's not lying..

Just because you don't like Olli doesn't mean he's not any good. He's averaging 64 pts over his last 5 years and is still a lock for 50+ pts today. Sure, he isn't a massive periph guy but he brings solid FOWs, PIMs and hits. He's still a very serviceable C in BBKL.. especially with a decent hit of 3 million.
LOL Jokinen is terrible.

You even gave me Jokinen for free last year when i was Dallas. LOL!!!
Steve did.. and that's because everyone thought he was signing overseas lol

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:18 pm
by Robin Hood
The Devil wroteCOLONWell, team bulding 101. I bet 90% of the people in this league would LOVE to have Datsyuk and his 6.7 million cap hit. Now, Dats and Olli are about the same age. Olli makes less then half of what Datsyuk does. So it should make sense that Olli is less then half as good as Dats. FTR, 2 Olli's and a 700k player is far superior to Datsyuk. Now, I'm not saying I'd make this trade because in this league age is 1st and name is 2nd when it comes to making a trade.

But by your standards, Datsyuk's even worse then Jokinen is. In terms of value per dollar, Olli is better.. it's a fact.
you just proved yourself wrong.

1) no building team should want Jokinen because his trade value sucks. and he is too old to keep performing by the time the team is ready to compete.
2) no contender will have a roster spot for Jokinen.

the only teams who will bite are the teams who are neither building nor contenders, in case of which Jokinen is a useless piece to pay for.

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:25 pm
by Scott
SuperMario wroteCOLON
The Devil wroteCOLONWell, team bulding 101. I bet 90% of the people in this league would LOVE to have Datsyuk and his 6.7 million cap hit. Now, Dats and Olli are about the same age. Olli makes less then half of what Datsyuk does. So it should make sense that Olli is less then half as good as Dats. FTR, 2 Olli's and a 700k player is far superior to Datsyuk. Now, I'm not saying I'd make this trade because in this league age is 1st and name is 2nd when it comes to making a trade.

But by your standards, Datsyuk's even worse then Jokinen is. In terms of value per dollar, Olli is better.. it's a fact.
you just proved yourself wrong.

1) no building team should want Jokinen because his trade value sucks. and he is too old to keep performing by the time the team is ready to compete.
2) no contender will have a roster spot for Jokinen.

the only teams who will bite are the teams who are neither building or contenders, in case of which Jokinen is a useless piece to pay for.
when you're building a winner, trade value doesn't mean anything. You underlined the reasons why I wouldn't make the trade... but I wouldn't want Datsyuk on my team either. He's shitty in terms of BBKL really.. you only acquire Datsyuk to trade him. I was simply making a point as to Jokinen being better of ANY team in terms of cap hit value compared to Datsyuk. You can take the extra 3.7 million and spend it elsewhere.. it really is that simple.

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:31 pm
by Robin Hood
The Devil wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLON
The Devil wroteCOLONWell, team bulding 101. I bet 90% of the people in this league would LOVE to have Datsyuk and his 6.7 million cap hit. Now, Dats and Olli are about the same age. Olli makes less then half of what Datsyuk does. So it should make sense that Olli is less then half as good as Dats. FTR, 2 Olli's and a 700k player is far superior to Datsyuk. Now, I'm not saying I'd make this trade because in this league age is 1st and name is 2nd when it comes to making a trade.

But by your standards, Datsyuk's even worse then Jokinen is. In terms of value per dollar, Olli is better.. it's a fact.
you just proved yourself wrong.

1) no building team should want Jokinen because his trade value sucks. and he is too old to keep performing by the time the team is ready to compete.
2) no contender will have a roster spot for Jokinen.

the only teams who will bite are the teams who are neither building or contenders, in case of which Jokinen is a useless piece to pay for.
when you're building a winner, trade value doesn't mean anything. You underlined the reasons why I wouldn't make the trade... but I wouldn't want Datsyuk on my team either. He's shitty in terms of BBKL really.. you only acquire Datsyuk to trade him. I was simply making a point as to Jokinen being better of ANY team in terms of cap hit value compared to Datsyuk. You can take the extra 3.7 million and spend it elsewhere.. it really is that simple.
Datsyuk put up 30 goals, 80 + points, +20 AT LEAST, 75 hits, 700+ FOW, 30 STPTS.

He is an elite center.

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:34 pm
by Shep
Scott, I'll take Jokinen.

Re: MAF/Johnson & Friends

PostedCOLON Thu Aug 11, 2011 3:35 pm
by Scott
SuperMario wroteCOLON
The Devil wroteCOLON
SuperMario wroteCOLON
The Devil wroteCOLONWell, team bulding 101. I bet 90% of the people in this league would LOVE to have Datsyuk and his 6.7 million cap hit. Now, Dats and Olli are about the same age. Olli makes less then half of what Datsyuk does. So it should make sense that Olli is less then half as good as Dats. FTR, 2 Olli's and a 700k player is far superior to Datsyuk. Now, I'm not saying I'd make this trade because in this league age is 1st and name is 2nd when it comes to making a trade.

But by your standards, Datsyuk's even worse then Jokinen is. In terms of value per dollar, Olli is better.. it's a fact.
you just proved yourself wrong.

1) no building team should want Jokinen because his trade value sucks. and he is too old to keep performing by the time the team is ready to compete.
2) no contender will have a roster spot for Jokinen.

the only teams who will bite are the teams who are neither building or contenders, in case of which Jokinen is a useless piece to pay for.
when you're building a winner, trade value doesn't mean anything. You underlined the reasons why I wouldn't make the trade... but I wouldn't want Datsyuk on my team either. He's shitty in terms of BBKL really.. you only acquire Datsyuk to trade him. I was simply making a point as to Jokinen being better of ANY team in terms of cap hit value compared to Datsyuk. You can take the extra 3.7 million and spend it elsewhere.. it really is that simple.
Datsyuk put up 30 goals, 80 + points, +20 AT LEAST, 75 hits, 700+ FOW, 30 STPTS.

He is an elite center.
he's great, absolutely! But his real life value is significantly better then his h2h value IMHO. Again, I'm talking Jokinen @ 3 million. He's much better then less then half of Datsyuk (if that makes any sense). Numbers are numbers.. this is a numbers league.. also, acquiring Datsyuk will cost you much ore significant pieces then it will to acquire Olli. Put that extra 3.7 million elsewhere is the key.