Re: Kony 2012
PostedCOLON Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:57 am
Yup. Your friend is right, Bryan. http://www.bbb.org/charity-reviews/nati ... undRaising
That's about .. wow.. only 31% made it to the children? Jesus.bcool wroteCOLONI'd like to bring your attention to the non-profit that is organizing this marketing blitz, Invisible Children.
I went through their financials in the original thread on the front page, and I'd like to share with you my concerns...
Of the $8.9 million they spent in 2011, this is the breakdown:
* $1.7 million in US employee salaries
* $357,000 in Film costs
* $850,000 in Production costs
* $685,000 in Computer equipement
* $244,000 in "professional services" (DC lobbyists)
* $1.07 million in travel expenses
* $400,000 in office rent in San Diego
* $16,000 in Entertainment etc...
Only 2.8 million (31%) made it to their charity program (which is further whittled down by local Ugandan government officials) - what do the children actually get?
Source on page 6 of their own financial report
Their rating on Charity Navigator is because they haven't had their financial books independently audited. ...which is not a surprising given the use of cash noted above.
You can also check out http://www.reddit.com/r/DAE/comments/ql ... ous_about/
and...
http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.c ... rgid=12429
Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONSure it seems like a small percentage but really is 31% worse than 0% ? I understand the reservations in donating money you have worked for if you feel it may not be going where its supposed to. But at the same time the organization does need to market itself and maintain itself in order to continue to spread the word, and be be taken seriously enough to influence change.
How about this? You give me $100..and I'll donate $31 to the charity of your choice. The other $69...we'll say its "operating expenses" (Mass Effect 3) since I'm doing the labour work for you..Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONSure it seems like a small percentage but really is 31% worse than 0% ? I understand the reservations in donating money you have worked for if you feel it may not be going where its supposed to. But at the same time the organization does need to market itself and maintain itself in order to continue to spread the word, and be be taken seriously enough to influence change.
And actually its a pretty good argument. Money can't just be thrown at a problem to make it go away. Its very very expensive to make sure that money donated to a charity organization actually goes to the people it is trying to help. More often than not organizations send money to countries wherein corrupt government officials simply pocket it, leading to disillusionment on the part of the Westerners who donated the money, and resentment on the part of the needy for not receiving what is there's. I'm not saying everybody on the forum needs to donate, my point is that its easy to look at statistics on the website and claim its not worth your time or money, and to be critical. It's much harder to actually act and enact a change in the world.KapG wroteCOLONSensfanjosh wroteCOLONSure it seems like a small percentage but really is 31% worse than 0% ? I understand the reservations in donating money you have worked for if you feel it may not be going where its supposed to. But at the same time the organization does need to market itself and maintain itself in order to continue to spread the word, and be be taken seriously enough to influence change.
That's not really the best of arguments...
Sure, but it's not hard to publicize operating expenses, something that Invisible Children has not done other than a declaration of expenditures. The point is, charities need to provide full disclosure of what they are spending their money on and why certain expenses are efficiency relevant. If we're getting into the philosophical doctrines of 'what, why, how, when, whom,' then that's another topic altogether -- there's corruption everywhere, and charities should -- need -- to do more to prevent waste.Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONAnd actually its a pretty good argument. Money can't just be thrown at a problem to make it go away. Its very very expensive to make sure that money donated to a charity organization actually goes to the people it is trying to help. More often than not organizations send money to countries wherein corrupt government officials simply pocket it, leading to disillusionment on the part of the Westerners who donated the money, and resentment on the part of the needy for not receiving what is there's. I'm not saying everybody on the forum needs to donate, my point is that its easy to look at statistics on the website and claim its not worth your time or money, and to be critical. It's much harder to actually act and enact a change in the world.KapG wroteCOLONSensfanjosh wroteCOLONSure it seems like a small percentage but really is 31% worse than 0% ? I understand the reservations in donating money you have worked for if you feel it may not be going where its supposed to. But at the same time the organization does need to market itself and maintain itself in order to continue to spread the word, and be be taken seriously enough to influence change.
That's not really the best of arguments...
Sure. But there are those who feel that Western Interventionalism are a contributing cause to these crimes against humanity in the first place.Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONMy entire point can be summed up as this. You may not agree with the organization's methods and don't want to donate. Cool, I myself am unlikely to donate to them in particular if I'm being perfectly honest. However rather than spending all of this time coming up with reasons why you shouldn't help them, why you consider them shady etc. Why not use the energy towards something productive such as finding ways you are more comfortable with in terms of helping? I think everyone can agree that what is going on is bad, and a solution to the problem is in the best interests of everyone.
No no, I was doing the same (speaking in generalities). I'm a little tired so I might not be fully coherent today hahaSensfanjosh wroteCOLONExactly, I agree with you completely, you can't just send money you need to make sure its going into hands that will influence positive change. But again, that's an easy way to say I'm not going to help out, looking for a way to help to influence the change is a very different matter. Btw Chris I'm not attacking you or anyone else in particular just speaking in generalities.