Buds Board Keepers League

Anyone who defends this signing is an idiot. 1.4 for a 6/7 defenceman...Really? It's not going to kill the cap, but it's an unneccasarry price for a tweener. It especially hurts when you consider Joe Corvo signed for less than a million more than Lebda yesterday, with the same term...

sgupca wroteCOLON
Not me - I think Lebda was a great signing and will prove his importance to our team this season.

You think every signing is a great signing...We could go out tomorrow and sign Kariya for 3 years at 5 million and you would defend it.

Difference between Steve and Kareem. Steve has very blue shades on, Kareem doesn't.

We overpaid for Lebda but its not the end of the world.

He is what he is..a #5/6/7 defenceman who has very good puck moving abilities and could get some time on the 2nd PPunit - somebody we need with Kaberle gone.

mr. bruin wroteCOLON

Lol..yea, keep dreaming that he'll bust. I am pretty sure that you are the only person to ever say that. Poll everyone not a Leaf fan and see what the response is. He is the complete package. He'll be worth 3 Phil Kessels in about 3 years. You got the excited nervous Kessel last year looking to impress..This year you will get the lazy i got paid who gives a shit Kessel. you wait...But i don't disagree that is a nice top 6 who will be quite good maybe this year and definitely for years to follow.

Seguin will bust

Mark my words

All right. Let's go to the betting lounge.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON
You think every signing is a great signing...We could go out tomorrow and sign Kariya for 3 years at 5 million and you would defend it.

I'd take Kariya for 2 years at 1.5mil per season.

It would be a good signing.

mr. bruin wroteCOLONDifference between Steve and Kareem. Steve has very blue shades on, Kareem doesn't.

Steve thinks the leafs are going to be a different team.

i don't think by any means Lebda is a super star or top 20 UFA signing; however, i do think he was a good depth signing (which i've stated). I think he'll do a lot for his price and what he can bring.

Dmen are like goalies, they take longer to find their touch. I think he'll get a solid 14-16mins per game, and Wilson will get a lot out of him. This signing will pay dividents.

http://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nh ... aple-leafs

Lebda wants bigger role.

inferno31 wroteCOLONhttp://www.thestar.com/sports/hockey/nh ... aple-leafs

Lebda wants bigger role.

That's ambitious...doesn't mean it'll happen though. I was fairly indifferent to him while he was with Detroit...I'm not hammering on him because he left, it's just that I don't see how a perceived smart GM like Brian Burke looks at him as a remedy to what ills a cup-hungry fanbase. He was a part of the recent run of three consecutive trips to the conference finals (or better) but was a #6/7 defenseman on those teams. He might bring some intangibles for being teammates with the likes of Chelios, Lidstrom and Rafalski and he's an overall good guy too. Other than that, if he was exceptional player, the Wings would've kept him. I wish him luck in Toronto.

Shoalzie wroteCOLON That's ambitious...doesn't mean it'll happen though. I was fairly indifferent to him while he was with Detroit...I'm not hammering on him because he left, it's just that I don't see how a perceived smart GM like Brian Burke looks at him as a remedy to what ills a cup-hungry fanbase. He was a part of the recent run of three consecutive trips to the conference finals (or better) but was a #6/7 defenseman on those teams. He might bring some intangibles for being teammates with the likes of Chelios, Lidstrom and Rafalski and he's an overall good guy too. Other than that, if he was exceptional player, the Wings would've kept him. I wish him luck in Toronto.

Like Leino

I kid, I kid. I know Lebda has had his time, and if you look up his corsi and other stats its not a pretty sight. Hes a serviceable 6 likely, and hopefully thats all he'll have to do. The stories of his brain farts though make me shudder.

no one is saying he's the fix shoalzie... not anywhere... and he'll have the same role with us he had with the wings, regardless of what he thinks.

Komi - Kaberle
Phaneuf - Schenn
Gunner - Lebda/Finger/Beau

??? Clearly we have a crowded group... but Ledba is not expected to be a difference maker on the ice

inferno31 wroteCOLON
Like Leino

I kid, I kid. I know Lebda has had his time, and if you look up his corsi and other stats its not a pretty sight. Hes a serviceable 6 likely, and hopefully thats all he'll have to do. The stories of his brain farts though make me shudder.

Leino wasn't a Babcock player...which doesn't mean he was a bad player. There's a lot of second guessing from the Wings fans about that move but you just didn't see that type of explosiveness when he was with the Wings that he showed in Philadelphia. I think he's playing in a system with less constraints and he's able to flourish offensively. If Leino got to play on lines with Datsyuk or Zetterberg instead of playing on the 3rd or 4th line...who knows?

Lebda to a lesser extent could be a similar case. He's not a particularly strong defenseman at both ends of the ice. The guy lacks size and toughness and was prone to mistakes like you mentioned. He feels most comfortable in the opposition zone as an offensive player. I think he can be a solid PP specialist with his ability to carry the puck and he's got a pretty underrated shot. Don't expect him to be a defensive stopper though.

sgupca wroteCOLONI'd take Kariya for 2 years at 1.5mil per season.

It would be a good signing.

Obviously..

Kariya will get over 3mil.

Snipeshow wroteCOLON Obviously..

Kariya will get over 3mil.

I don't think

Tanguay and Kariya will produce at about the same pace this season.

I'd think 1.8-2.2mil for Kariya per year.

Shoalzie wroteCOLON Leino wasn't a Babcock player...which doesn't mean he was a bad player. There's a lot of second guessing from the Wings fans about that move but you just didn't see that type of explosiveness when he was with the Wings that he showed in Philadelphia. I think he's playing in a system with less constraints and he's able to flourish offensively.

maybe it's just that he changed his diet in Philly...

-> I'm not saying this is true for Lebda

But -> Red Wings have actually let a couple good players go...

Lieno -> I don't care what your excuse is, he was very good for the flyers, and he'd have a spot on their team next year
Quicney -> They'd love to have him now (so would dallas where he supposedly failed his medical?)
Matthias -> a defensive & phsyical presence they are currently lacking up front


IMO the 4th pick of the 1993 Entry Draft will still sign for 2.5+, unless there is a location he wants to play and approaches them @ a discount.. he's always been better then the 12th overall pick form the 1996 entry draft (IMO).

But seriously Steve, can we make a bet on the season totals of Seguin since you all but guaranteed he will be a bust? I guarantee otherwise. He is the full package. He has captain written all over him. I would love to know what makes you think he will bust? not a chance in hell...And i am willing to bet players and or picks on it.

mr. bruin wroteCOLONBut seriously Steve, can we make a bet on the season totals of Seguin since you all but guaranteed he will be a bust? I guarantee otherwise. He is the full package. He has captain written all over him. I would love to know what makes you think he will bust? not a chance in hell...And i am willing to bet players and or picks on it.

I've never really played the betting game.

But i will predict this. Kessel will score more goals this year, than Seguin has points.

Kessel's stats: 40G - 25A - 65P

Seguin's stats: 15G - 18A - 33P


Know i understand that there is an age difference there, that being said i don't think Seguin is going to live up to all the hype and be a 'franchise player' like may predict. I see him as a 2nd line Centre that will max out around 70-75 points per season. I label him a 'bust' because i think he is an over-hyped prospect.

70-75 points isn't a bust. Is Toews a bust?

If Seguin is as good as we all think in all areas of the game and scores 70-75 points consistently it'll be stupid to call that a bust or not living up to the hype imo.