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Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 11:59 am
by Da_Hawks
Lee wroteCOLON
Da_Hawks wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONTo be fair, the fact that another gm is getting paid picks in the first place is stupid. If this thing were done right then the picks would just be dropped by the offending gm.

And if he had played those gp then his pick would likely be a worse pick.
Yeah, this does not make sense to me either.

If a team is intentionally tanking, and his roster is devoid of talent, he likely has an even harder time trying to climb back to relevance. He is punishing him or herself by trading away everyone and not rostering any actual players. If you are fining this team draft picks, you are just prolonging his rebuild. This league needs more competition, not less. Hell, most of the top teams are hording 5-6 actual NHL'ers on their farm anyways. There is seldom enough players to go around. It's tough building a top keeper team dammit! Incentives are better motivators than consequences.

Now, I was obviously not around when those rules were created, and I am sure they were put into place to stop some idiots from having 0 players on their roster. But if I am a rebuilding team, and my team suffers multiple injuries, I am not going out and trading my valuable assets for roster players just hit some damn GP threshold. That's counter-productive to a rebuild.
If you haven't noticed, the CC exists to punish lottery teams for being lottery teams. That is their purpose and function.
Looks like fun! How do you join, or is it an exclusive club?

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:01 pm
by Lee
Pretty exclusive. You have people whine and complain at you all the time.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:03 pm
by Da_Hawks
CasperX22 wroteCOLON
dave1959 wroteCOLONis there a reason the GM owning the traded pick loses the chance at getting first overall?

this rule was in place before I became a GM here.
My assumption is that it's designed to be a standings adjustment to reflect if that team had made gp. The offending gm compensating the gm owning the pick was likely put into place to appease the gm that has the pick moved back. Just an educated guess on my part though.
That team just needs to learn how to tank better. Pretty clear. That or simply decide the lottery standings based on total points/actual games played. Re-rank based on the lowest points per gp.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:22 pm
by kimmer
hey foof

i had to pay up last year, be like me and try hard to make GP and almost the playoffs nxt yr

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:32 pm
by dave1959
CasperX22 wroteCOLON
dave1959 wroteCOLONis there a reason the GM owning the traded pick loses the chance at getting first overall?

this rule was in place before I became a GM here.
My assumption is that it's designed to be a standings adjustment to reflect if that team had made gp. The offending gm compensating the gm owning the pick was likely put into place to appease the gm that has the pick moved back. Just an educated guess on my part though.
I get the standings adjustment for the offending team re drafts etc, but I don't get why it should affect GM the pick has been traded to.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:34 pm
by foofnik
kimmer wroteCOLONhey foof

i had to pay up last year, be like me and try hard to make GP and almost the playoffs nxt yr
I own the CHI pick, I don't owe compensation my point is the opposite and that I should be receiving it assuming CHI pick does not win the lottery

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:36 pm
by foofnik
Da_Hawks wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONTo be fair, the fact that another gm is getting paid picks in the first place is stupid. If this thing were done right then the picks would just be dropped by the offending gm.

And if he had played those gp then his pick would likely be a worse pick.
Yeah, this does not make sense to me either.

If a team is intentionally tanking, and his roster is devoid of talent, he likely has an even harder time trying to climb back to relevance. He is punishing him or herself by trading away everyone and not rostering any actual players. If you are fining this team draft picks, you are just prolonging his rebuild. This league needs more competition, not less. Hell, most of the top teams are hording 5-6 actual NHL'ers on their farm anyways. There is seldom enough players to go around. It's tough building a top keeper team dammit! Incentives are better motivators than consequences.

Now, I was obviously not around when those rules were created, and I am sure they were put into place to stop some idiots from having 0 players on their roster. But if I am a rebuilding team, and my team suffers multiple injuries, I am not going out and trading my valuable assets for roster players just hit some damn GP threshold. That's counter-productive to a rebuild.
Point is not to necessarily be a punishment but rather a deterrent to not miss the GP mark, which is there to set a minimum acceptable standard roster level in the league.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:37 pm
by foofnik
Matthew wroteCOLONTo be fair, the fact that another gm is getting paid picks in the first place is stupid. If this thing were done right then the picks would just be dropped by the offending gm.

And if he had played those gp then his pick would likely be a worse pick.
unlikely, he's neck and neck with NYR, and my own team is next about 90 something points higher so he would be in the same spot basically

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:38 pm
by foofnik
dave1959 wroteCOLON
CasperX22 wroteCOLON
dave1959 wroteCOLONis there a reason the GM owning the traded pick loses the chance at getting first overall?

this rule was in place before I became a GM here.
My assumption is that it's designed to be a standings adjustment to reflect if that team had made gp. The offending gm compensating the gm owning the pick was likely put into place to appease the gm that has the pick moved back. Just an educated guess on my part though.
I get the standings adjustment for the offending team re drafts etc, but I don't get why it should affect GM the pick has been traded to.
Theory being they are effected since the pick they traded for is now worth less. But the rule predates me so that's an educated guess not a fact

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:40 pm
by dave1959
foofnik wroteCOLON
dave1959 wroteCOLON
CasperX22 wroteCOLON
dave1959 wroteCOLONis there a reason the GM owning the traded pick loses the chance at getting first overall?

this rule was in place before I became a GM here.
My assumption is that it's designed to be a standings adjustment to reflect if that team had made gp. The offending gm compensating the gm owning the pick was likely put into place to appease the gm that has the pick moved back. Just an educated guess on my part though.
I get the standings adjustment for the offending team re drafts etc, but I don't get why it should affect GM the pick has been traded to.
Theory being they are effected since the pick they traded for is now worth less. But the rule predates me so that's an educated guess not a fact

what I'm saying is, it shouldn't be worth any different than if he had made GP...there should be no penalty to a traded pick.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:44 pm
by CasperX22
dave1959 wroteCOLON
CasperX22 wroteCOLON
dave1959 wroteCOLONis there a reason the GM owning the traded pick loses the chance at getting first overall?

this rule was in place before I became a GM here.
My assumption is that it's designed to be a standings adjustment to reflect if that team had made gp. The offending gm compensating the gm owning the pick was likely put into place to appease the gm that has the pick moved back. Just an educated guess on my part though.
I get the standings adjustment for the offending team re drafts etc, but I don't get why it should affect GM the pick has been traded to.
Bc it's an adjustment to the pick itself. The owning gm is inconsequential to where the pick should wind up.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:47 pm
by Matthew
dave1959 wroteCOLONis there a reason the GM owning the traded pick loses the chance at getting first overall?

this rule was in place before I became a GM here.
This isnt true.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:48 pm
by Matthew
Da_Hawks wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONTo be fair, the fact that another gm is getting paid picks in the first place is stupid. If this thing were done right then the picks would just be dropped by the offending gm.

And if he had played those gp then his pick would likely be a worse pick.
Yeah, this does not make sense to me either.

If a team is intentionally tanking, and his roster is devoid of talent, he likely has an even harder time trying to climb back to relevance. He is punishing him or herself by trading away everyone and not rostering any actual players. If you are fining this team draft picks, you are just prolonging his rebuild. This league needs more competition, not less. Hell, most of the top teams are hording 5-6 actual NHL'ers on their farm anyways. There is seldom enough players to go around. It's tough building a top keeper team dammit! Incentives are better motivators than consequences.

Now, I was obviously not around when those rules were created, and I am sure they were put into place to stop some idiots from having 0 players on their roster. But if I am a rebuilding team, and my team suffers multiple injuries, I am not going out and trading my valuable assets for roster players just hit some damn GP threshold. That's counter-productive to a rebuild.
You misread what i was saying.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:50 pm
by dave1959
yes, but what I am saying, is it shouldn't be.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 12:51 pm
by dave1959
Matthew wroteCOLON
dave1959 wroteCOLONis there a reason the GM owning the traded pick loses the chance at getting first overall?

this rule was in place before I became a GM here.
This isnt true.

pretty sure it's been a rule since the league began...or shortly thereafter.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:41 pm
by Arian The Insider
I think the rule needs to be adjusted slightly going forward

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:45 pm
by Matthew
It used to be the pick slid back after lottery so the team owning it couldnt win the lotto. Now its pre lotto.

However we disallow the team owning the pick, if it is the team who missed gp, from winning a lotto spot.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 1:57 pm
by koomzzz
i thought i understood this rule until i read these posts, I have no idea what's going on anymore.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:03 pm
by Da_Hawks
Matthew wroteCOLONIt used to be the pick slid back after lottery so the team owning it couldnt win the lotto. Now its pre lotto.

However we disallow the team owning the pick, if it is the team who missed gp, from winning a lotto spot.
That doesn't make much sense though. The team should still have a shot at winning the lotto, just reduced to reflect his GP. As suggested, just re-rank the non-playoff teams by their adjusted points per games played value. This levels the playing field perfectly.

Re: NHL Transactions, Injuries & Rumours

PostedCOLON Fri Mar 02, 2018 2:13 pm
by Matthew
Da_Hawks wroteCOLON
Matthew wroteCOLONIt used to be the pick slid back after lottery so the team owning it couldnt win the lotto. Now its pre lotto.

However we disallow the team owning the pick, if it is the team who missed gp, from winning a lotto spot.
That doesn't make much sense though. The team should still have a shot at winning the lotto, just reduced to reflect his GP. As suggested, just re-rank the non-playoff teams by their adjusted points per games played value. This levels the playing field perfectly.
I agree, moved back and a fine of a 2nd i think with a possibility to still win lotto. But some people dont agree, so the rule cqnnot change.