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Nick wroteCOLONhe hasn't been around since the site came back up - rules are well and good, and for guys that have been around or haven't been positive influences on the BBKL I'd agree, no reason to even consider some bending; but for a member who took so much upon himself to make the BBKL a better place, I see nothing wrong with helping move the draft forward, and not wasting his pick for him (or god forbid future managers) just because he's MIA.

Fortunately this is only a hypothetical scenario now that Mash was able to make the pick, but i feel like being open and honest about this; the fact no one is directly involved anymore actually makes it only easier to speak about it and hopefully this serves for the future.

I find the above bolded part to be a blow to the credibility of this league, especially when it comes from a key CC member and it clearly goes against our rulings:

- proceedings
12 hrs available for each pick.
If you miss your selection it becomes pick at any time within the next 30 selections, after that the pick is gone. If the latter occurs in the first 3 rounds GM receives a warning.

this was posted here: http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6588
and was decided and posted last year already: http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=379 ... ngs#p49193
and was never questioned.

So when you state "I see nothing wrong with helping move the draft forward" i wonder what we are ever going to accomplish with our efforts to make this league fair and easier to manage.

The draft certainly should not be expected to move forward before the 12hrs window has passed.
The pick would probably not be wasted anyway cause the missing GM has 30 more picks available to make his selection.
And the fact you see nothing wrong in blatantly going against the rules is alarming.

We don't have an updated and comprehensive CBA.. and even when rules cover the matter at hand and are clearly written and updated you suggest to dismiss them ad lib?

I could understand if the proposal was about the potential warning.. but one thing is easing on personal punishments, a different one breaking rules to help one team over the others.
The latter should not be considered an option.

Ok, needed to get this off my chest.

The fact that you don't seem to understand that life does play a role in our availability in this league is more alarming than anything you've posted here. The fact that you haven't seemed to noticed that Mash showed up to make his pick and then disappear again should be a clue that there's enough on his plate that we should be giving him some lee-way, not trying to tighten the rules or giving someone shit for having the audacity to think like a human being.

dude, did you really read what i posted?
or did you just feel like throwing more shit at me today?
because what you posted doesn't pertain what i was talking about.

oh, i left out the "grow up" part on purpose

kyuss wroteCOLON

Chris wroteCOLON

kyuss wroteCOLON

Nick wroteCOLONhe hasn't been around since the site came back up - rules are well and good, and for guys that have been around or haven't been positive influences on the BBKL I'd agree, no reason to even consider some bending; but for a member who took so much upon himself to make the BBKL a better place, I see nothing wrong with helping move the draft forward, and not wasting his pick for him (or god forbid future managers) just because he's MIA.

Fortunately this is only a hypothetical scenario now that Mash was able to make the pick, but i feel like being open and honest about this; the fact no one is directly involved anymore actually makes it only easier to speak about it and hopefully this serves for the future.

I find the above bolded part to be a blow to the credibility of this league, especially when it comes from a key CC member and it clearly goes against our rulings:

- proceedings
12 hrs available for each pick.
If you miss your selection it becomes pick at any time within the next 30 selections, after that the pick is gone. If the latter occurs in the first 3 rounds GM receives a warning.

this was posted here: http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=6588
and was decided and posted last year already: http://bbkl.ca/viewtopic.php?f=84&t=379 ... ngs#p49193
and was never questioned.

So when you state "I see nothing wrong with helping move the draft forward" i wonder what we are ever going to accomplish with our efforts to make this league fair and easier to manage.

The draft certainly should not be expected to move forward before the 12hrs window has passed.
The pick would probably not be wasted anyway cause the missing GM has 30 more picks available to make his selection.
And the fact you see nothing wrong in blatantly going against the rules is alarming.

We don't have an updated and comprehensive CBA.. and even when rules cover the matter at hand and are clearly written and updated you suggest to dismiss them ad lib?

I could understand if the proposal was about the potential warning.. but one thing is easing on personal punishments, a different one breaking rules to help one team over the others.
The latter should not be considered an option.

Ok, needed to get this off my chest.

The fact that you don't seem to understand that life does play a role in our availability in this league is more alarming than anything you've posted here. The fact that you haven't seemed to noticed that Mash showed up to make his pick and then disappear again should be a clue that there's enough on his plate that we should be giving him some lee-way, not trying to tighten the rules or giving someone shit for having the audacity to think like a human being.

dude, did you really read what i posted?
or did you just feel like throwing more shit at me today?
because what you posted doesn't pertain what i was talking about.

oh, i left out the "grow up" part on purpose

You don't seem to understand what I wrote. You want me to use crayons?

Sssannndddyyyy vvvaaagggiiinnaaassss

Chris wroteCOLON You don't seem to understand what I wrote. You want me to use crayons?

you mean (hopefully after trying again) that's indeed what you think a pertaining answer?

Do you understand that Nick's leaning towards protecting Mash and giving him lee-way instead of adhering to the rules are due to Mash's immense influence and contributions to this place?

Hi, my name is Mikael. I assert authority on the BBKL with my pedantic and unnecessary discussion of the rules in place because as a Wop, I'm 5'2 and need to feel tall.

Chris wroteCOLONHi, my name is Mikael. I assert authority on the BBKL with my pedantic and unnecessary discussion of the rules in place because as a Wop, I'm 5'2 and need to feel tall.

what does this have to do with Mike lol...

bills09 wroteCOLON

Chris wroteCOLONHi, my name is Mikael. I assert authority on the BBKL with my pedantic and unnecessary discussion of the rules in place because as a Wop, I'm 5'2 and need to feel tall.

what does this have to do with Mike lol...

Mikael means Mik I believe. I am neither short nor Italian. Pedantic, yes.

Lol

Mike wroteCOLON

bills09 wroteCOLON

Chris wroteCOLONHi, my name is Mikael. I assert authority on the BBKL with my pedantic and unnecessary discussion of the rules in place because as a Wop, I'm 5'2 and need to feel tall.

what does this have to do with Mike lol...

Mikael means Mik I believe. I am neither short nor Italian. Pedantic, yes.

LOL sorry Mikey

is cool

All I'm saying is that there's a time and place to discuss rules and a GM's interest in the BBKL and this isn't one of those times. I have spoken with Mash several times over the last couple of months and while I understand there's some concern about his interest in the BBKL, he deserves the leeway and space to focus on his priorities rather than coming back weeks later to find that his BBKL status has been put on hold because someone wanted to stick to the rules.

Mash deserves better than that.

I don't think anyone was questioning his commitment, I think it was more so about making sure the rules are the same for everyone in BBKL and weren't tossed out arbitrarily for some people who have more influence in the way the league is run.

Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONI don't think anyone was questioning his commitment, I think it was more so about making sure the rules are the same for everyone in BBKL and weren't tossed out arbitrarily for some people who have more influence in the way the league is run.

Doesn't matter. Mik has this incessant need to talk about the rules. He built off of Nick's willingness to give Mash some lee-way and completely premenstrual'd over it.

Rules are made to be broken


gosh, chris

Chris wroteCOLONDoesn't matter. Mik has this incessant need to talk about the rules.

so you attacked me for the simple single reason i was talking again about rules? now things are clearer.

Chris wroteCOLONHi, my name is Mikael. I assert authority on the BBKL with my pedantic and unnecessary discussion of the rules in place because as a Wop, I'm 5'2 and need to feel tall.

dude, what's the purpose of your free personal attacks?
Do you think they will help you gaining back more credibility after the embarassing antics from the past? i don't think that's the way to go, they actually only bring back those memories..

Now, in case you really wonder about that, the simple reason i posted that stuff is i don't want to be part of a league where people and teams are treated in a completely different way depending on their names (not only cause it's unfair.. it also opens highways to BS).
It's unfortunate you fail to realize that (or just don't care).

The fact that you don't seem to understand that life does play a role in our availability in this league..

Whatever made you think this, you got it wrong, as it is certainly far from true.

All I'm saying is that there's a time and place to discuss rules and a GM's interest in the BBKL and this isn't one of those times. I have spoken with Mash several times over the last couple of months and while I understand there's some concern about his interest in the BBKL, he deserves the leeway and space to focus on his priorities rather than coming back weeks later to find that his BBKL status has been put on hold because someone wanted to stick to the rules.

Mash deserves better than that.

No one was questioning Mash interest here, and no one has ever put Mash BBKL status on hold LOL.

The only thing on hold for a while were his pick and a fair approach by us.

Speaking in general, if a GM (whoever he is) has serious stuff going on that prevents him from doing his BBKL things, he is expected to let us know about it so that we can adapt and help where possible (for example, making picks for him and non issuing warnings).
If the situation is so serious that he can't, or doesn't care about letting us now, then obviously using his pick later on or losing that pick won't bother him much.. because he clearly has more important things to think about.
If the situation is not serious and the GM fails to notify about his troubles, then it will be the one at fault for any eventual harms his team might suffer as a result of rules application.


Lastly, i'm not saying the history of the GM should never matter..
suppose Mash didn't show up during the whole draft and someone asked for his firing, i'd be the first one to be against that considering his past in this league, whereas if it was a newcomer who just joined the league disappearing before the draft without leaving notice, well i would have considered that option.

tl;dr

Lol at editting my posts

I understand and appreciate where Mik is coming from - and apologize for opening this can of worms unnecessarily. I did want to bend the rules, despite knowing that it's always easy to form logic to do so in EACH individual circumstance. Longer term focus is needed when making decisions. I do not think anyone doubted Mash's commitment to the league, or that the BBKL needs/tries to be understanding of 'life'. Matt found the time to make his pick w/o any need for concern.

Personal attacks do not help anything (not that I edited anyone's post), and are actually comical/ironic in the calling someone immature, is in actuality, immature. Remember guys, we're here for a good time, and we have more in common on this forum than we have in separation.

Happy Father's day to all the dads in the league - Matt is likely the rookie of the group Hockey Dads are the best, and sport is a basis for a healthy lifelong friendship.

Chris wroteCOLONLol at editting my posts

who edited your post, and btw can we please get back to talking hockey?