Buds Board Keepers League

Just make trades on the side, keep them in a word document, and post them when trading opens up again. You have to trust that these deals get done then.

If we allow some people make trades that don't get pushed through until the after the playoffs, you'll have assets traded more than once, and it'll be a clusterfuck. Yes, the offending GM would get fined, but it opens up a can of worms. We have plenty of time to be trading in this league, we always want to keep the focus on the playoffs because that is the point of everything.

The non-playoff teams constantly bitch because they have nothing to do during the playoffs, and I realize some of you took over horrendous teams. However, we have nothing to do during draft season when that is the hot commodity in the league. It works both ways. Yes, trades still occur, but if you go back and look at the trades during draft season, 95% of them are directly impacted with the draft that is going on. Trades for picks, etc.

Not everything can be perfect, and obviously we cannot mimic the NHL perfectly, but we want to be as close as possible. So this one is one of the rules we have that is slightly different, but that's the way it is and always has been. Until I see a reason other than "us non-playoff teams get board because the league is all about trading" I'll put up zero fight to have it changed.

The bookkeeping is bad enough with people in this league, if we allow 4 weeks worth of official but not official trades, it'll get even worse. The only compromise I'd make is allowing all non-playoff teams make any trades they want with non-playoff teams. Yes playoff teams miss out on shit, but they should be focused on the playoffs anyways. If you're in the finals and you're worried about the value of Taylor Hall, work out a gentlemen's agreement if you trust the GM and make the trade post-playoffs.

You can make these gentlemen agreements all you want for 6-7 weeks until things get official, however when we start relying on people keeping track of all this on the side, only to put through 50 trades in one day with assets moving 2, 3, 4 times it's going to cause issues that are unnecessary.

Shep wroteCOLONJust make trades on the side, keep them in a word document, and post them when trading opens up again. You have to trust that these deals get done then.

If we allow some people make trades that don't get pushed through until the after the playoffs, you'll have assets traded more than once, and it'll be a clusterfuck. Yes, the offending GM would get fined, but it opens up a can of worms. We have plenty of time to be trading in this league, we always want to keep the focus on the playoffs because that is the point of everything.

The non-playoff teams constantly bitch because they have nothing to do during the playoffs, and I realize some of you took over horrendous teams. However, we have nothing to do during draft season when that is the hot commodity in the league. It works both ways. Yes, trades still occur, but if you go back and look at the trades during draft season, 95% of them are directly impacted with the draft that is going on. Trades for picks, etc.

Not everything can be perfect, and obviously we cannot mimic the NHL perfectly, but we want to be as close as possible. So this one is one of the rules we have that is slightly different, but that's the way it is and always has been. Until I see a reason other than "us non-playoff teams get board because the league is all about trading" I'll put up zero fight to have it changed.

The bookkeeping is bad enough with people in this league, if we allow 4 weeks worth of official but not official trades, it'll get even worse. The only compromise I'd make is allowing all non-playoff teams make any trades they want with non-playoff teams. Yes playoff teams miss out on shit, but they should be focused on the playoffs anyways. If you're in the finals and you're worried about the value of Taylor Hall, work out a gentlemen's agreement if you trust the GM and make the trade post-playoffs.

You can make these gentlemen agreements all you want for 6-7 weeks until things get official, however when we start relying on people keeping track of all this on the side, only to put through 50 trades in one day with assets moving 2, 3, 4 times it's going to cause issues that are unnecessary.

Lol @ paragraph 3. As someone who had top 3 picks last 3 yrs

Handsome&FairMike wroteCOLON

kyuss wroteCOLONnot that it would change things for this season, but it would be nice to read some reasons behind your opinions guys.

Like why a trade deadline two weeks before the end of the RS doesn't have any meaning in your heads.

Just as Matt said. You know 2 weeks before (aside from maybe a couple teams) if you're in or out of the playoffs. With 6-8 weeks ago, you have an extra 5-10 teams that are closer to the fringe. Then you have to take injuries, schedule, etc into account. It makes deciding to go for it that much more involved. More like the NHL.

and, aside from making it more like the NHL (I will address this later on), how does forcing teams to make an early decision between being buyers/sellers is so much better? after yrs of reading this assumption, I have yet to read any convincing reasoning behind it.

Lee wroteCOLON In it's current state the trade deadline will have little impact.

again.. why?
you can look at things both ways for that matter:
the closer to the end of the RS, the more BBKL teams will know if they are a playoff team and may feel like buying for the playoffs.
the closer to the end of the RS, the more chances a playoff team will have to go out and buy to fix his roster as a result of late injuries or of late NHL trades.

On the contrary, the reasons of having the deadline where we have are neat, as reported.

The argument "NHL does that" as a reason to do the same is silly when it doesn't take into account obvious and inevitable key differences between us and the NHL, like in this case:
NHL playoff teams know that if they lose after the deadline 8 players to injuries they will be able to bring up from their minor team how many players they need.
Under similar circumstances (actually, more probable ones, as BBKL teams are exposed to the risk of NHL trades on top of injuries), BBKL playoff teams would not have a chance to call up whatever number of players they need from their minor team.
i.e., bringing up a played in BBKL does not make him a contributing NHL player like happens in real life.
So obviously an early deadline doesn't bring for the NHL teams the same issues it brings for BBKL teams.

Lee wroteCOLONIf we truly wanted to end this discussion regarding goaltending and the trade deadline, hoarding goaltenders, etc, we could move to a format where one person holds an entire system.
There are a lot of hurdles to making that system work. So many that I really don't see it happening.

Actually, having our deadline after the NHL one basically ends that discussion in a much easier manner and without introducing a silly system where you may lose your player just because his NHL GM decides to trade him.


Also copying here where it belongs Nick's reasoning regarding no-trading in playoffs

it's a multitude of things. 1) it makes our trade deadline more real, and closer in impact to the NHL's
2) NHL does not 'allow' teams to make big trades during the playoffs, even if it's not explicitly written down, any GM with any sense will delay the trade until the cup has been handed out - the exceptions in this case are not what we should plan our rules around.
3) In fantasy hockey there should be NO, zero, ziltch negative impacts from making the playoffs, especially a deep run. Being left out of trading market is a perceived negative, one easily avoided given that benefits associated with a freeze.

Lastly, for the record, the decision inside the CC was unanimous.

Really, a bunch of playoffs teams want to keep trading out of the playoffs.

More or less because they assume they can't trade at all until it's over.

I'm done with the arguments and trying to make the league a better place for everyone. I'l let the old boys club run the show.

I don't even care about the trade deadline. It will have very little impact on the season with so few weeks left. My comments are based on the playoff trading lock out.

Shit did we forget to run this one by Lee? My bad.

Mike wroteCOLONShit did we forget to run this one by Lee? My bad.

Haha well played.

Lee wroteCOLONReally, a bunch of playoffs teams want to keep trading out of the playoffs.

More or less because they assume they can't trade at all until it's over.

I'm done with the arguments and trying to make the league a better place for everyone. I'l let the old boys club run the show.

I don't even care about the trade deadline. It will have very little impact on the season with so few weeks left. My comments are based on the playoff trading lock out.

and yet no reasoning behind assumptions.

it is unclear how having an earlier deadline and letting everyone post trades instead of just being able to discuss and agree on them would make the league a better place when it would at the same time remove the benefits this late deadline brings.
(like another one, having our deadline after the late C/W update, unlike last year)

Mike wroteCOLONShit did we forget to run this one by Lee? My bad.

Nope, just the plutocracy.

kyuss wroteCOLON

Lee wroteCOLONReally, a bunch of playoffs teams want to keep trading out of the playoffs.

More or less because they assume they can't trade at all until it's over.

I'm done with the arguments and trying to make the league a better place for everyone. I'l let the old boys club run the show.

I don't even care about the trade deadline. It will have very little impact on the season with so few weeks left. My comments are based on the playoff trading lock out.

and yet no reasoning behind assumptions.

it is unclear how having an earlier deadline and letting everyone post trades instead of just being able to discuss and agree on them would make the league a better place when it would at the same time remove the benefits this late deadline brings.
(like another one, having our deadline after the late C/W update, unlike last year)

How does it remove any benefit? The trades would have no bearing on the post season.

So then post them when the post season is done.

Already been addressed.

Yes deadline, I dont give a fuck about either. I just prefer the way it is now, thats it. Makes no difference since I believe earlier deadline being "beneficial" and "exciting" is like Kyuss said, a mere foolish assumption with no proof to back it up. Theyre just simple emotion-based feeling of content they think will feel if it did move up early

However, yes, I whole heartedly agree with LEE MACLEAN. It DOES make things more interesting and better if we can without consequences, post and discuss ALL trades made instantly after ur done regular season... this gives 16 bottom fucking teams a chance to be active around trade fronts KNOWING - that you can freely post and DISCUSS among one another like we do during season. Playoff teams can compete and chime in on the trades being posted while they face their opponents as well you know... all 30 teams technically benefit from this.

We make that fuckin playoff thread every year done beautifully by shep, however I honestly post the same shit every year. I dont give a fuck cuz I'm not in playoffs. Sure it is my fault i have a shitty team but I'm not going in and fuckin cheering on for ppl I hate anyway. That thread in itself is truly "exclusive" to those upper 16 teams that made the playoffs to bicker about their little fuckin matchups and congratulating one another. It's a "half GWT" essentially.

if we make our deals to be posted and freely be able to comment on instantly after regular season is over, this league BECOMES exciting.

EDIT: I just cleaned up the sentences and grammar a bit seeing as I noticed Tony is in this thread viewing. Even though I hate all fuckers who make fun of me for any type of reason, I somehow keep finding myself unintentionally seek Tony's approval... I dont know why...sigh

Lee wroteCOLON

kyuss wroteCOLON

Lee wroteCOLONReally, a bunch of playoffs teams want to keep trading out of the playoffs.

More or less because they assume they can't trade at all until it's over.

I'm done with the arguments and trying to make the league a better place for everyone. I'l let the old boys club run the show.

I don't even care about the trade deadline. It will have very little impact on the season with so few weeks left. My comments are based on the playoff trading lock out.

and yet no reasoning behind assumptions.

it is unclear how having an earlier deadline and letting everyone post trades instead of just being able to discuss and agree on them would make the league a better place when it would at the same time remove the benefits this late deadline brings.
(like another one, having our deadline after the late C/W update, unlike last year)

How does it remove any benefit? The trades would have no bearing on the post season.

having the trade deadline earlier, that is.
As for the trades, having them posted during PO sucks for the said reasons (see bruyns in this thread), and we are taking away very little anyway since everyone will still be able to negotiate trades (with the bonus of all GMs having the same opportunities).
Besides, the trade hiatus gives you another opportunity to bitch around, so it should actually be a bonus for you.

You keep harping on playoff teams not being able to trade while I've said countless times that we would not be depriving them of that opportunity.

You think I like having to bitch at the constant ineptness of the CC?

ouch lol

Lee wroteCOLONYou keep harping on playoff teams not being able to trade while I've said countless times that we would not be depriving them of that opportunity.

You think I like having to bitch at the constant ineptness of the CC?

no you just bring up old arguments that we've already moved on from (like me with the scoring system).

Wouldn't have to if you just gave me what I wanted.

I pee'd a little.

Dick crying