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Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Wed May 11, 2016 6:21 am
by Mike
I take Johnson over Krug any day. Not close either..
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Wed May 11, 2016 6:23 am
by Sensfanjosh
Same here, but to each their own I guess
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Wed May 11, 2016 6:38 am
by The BBKL Insider
Mike wroteCOLONI take Johnson over Krug any day. Not close either..
yup, TJ is as good as they come when we're talking about BBKL centres. Young, cheap and excellent production. If Stamkos leaves he'll also be a top line C.
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Wed May 11, 2016 6:42 am
by CasperX22
Sensfanjosh wroteCOLONSame here, but to each their own I guess
Yup, to each their own.
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Wed May 11, 2016 6:59 am
by kyuss
CasperX22 wroteCOLONKapG wroteCOLONCasperX22 wroteCOLONKapG wroteCOLONWhat changed Casper?
Is this not a good trade? Best one Scott has made using one of his firsts IMO
Didn't you chastise Dallas for making the same kind of deal last season when Dallas imo got more than Scott did here?
Better pieces in here I think and for a lesser prospect.
Looking back on that thread all I pretty much said was that it was krug + yakupov and a bunch of "meh" and that I thought darkness could have gotten a better deal if he waited. Id take Johnson over any of those guys
I'm not taking Johnson over Krug.
ok...
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Thu May 12, 2016 6:54 am
by Shoalzie
I would've gotten a different return if I left my options more open-ended. Getting a younger NHL center was a requirement in the deal so any pile of picks or prospects wasn't going to appeal to me. Value-wise, it could've worked but I have immediate needs with my active roster.
My team won't survive if I don't build up some of reserves at the pro level. I'll have a softer landing spot for any draft pick I have going forward because I won't expect them to be the savior and #1 point producer right away. I want to have a handful of dependable young(er) forwards and a steady defense that I can have for several years while prospects develop.
I've preached the idea of building a self-sustaining team...where if I need a player to fill out a lineup spot, I can call on my own guys and not have to overpay to acquire someone. And much like what Mike or Steve or Mik or any other resource-rich team in this league...you can cash in some of your youth and upgrade or add a player you need. It takes years to build up but you have to start somewhere.
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Thu May 12, 2016 7:10 am
by Shep
Mike wroteCOLONI take Johnson over Krug any day. Not close either..
Easily.
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Thu May 12, 2016 7:13 am
by thom54
no thought needed
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Thu May 12, 2016 2:59 pm
by foofnik
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Thu May 12, 2016 3:04 pm
by Lee
aww, Paul got a date.
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 3:34 pm
by kimmer
Matthew wroteCOLON... Mcdavid >>> Matthews
u sure about that yet lol
one question for shoalz... do u find urself in content or regret over this deal looking back? it's interesting
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:03 pm
by Tony
I'm still angry about this trade...
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 4:23 pm
by Arian The Insider
ouch
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:04 pm
by kimmer
This wasnt brought up to embarrass shoalzie. I was gonna pm him to inquire on tj and wondered what was the deal that got him tj
Really though looking back i wonder what all the pieces ended up being. Tj and what?
Pearson went for what? (No longer on det roster)
2016 1st nyi ended up as what
Etc
In the end tj is a solid adored bbkler. Is he elite no.
Pearson elite no
2016 1st nyi elite no
One auston matthews now would garner at least 2 elite pieces from any of the contenders right now imo
I just thought about this and wondered is the depth u acquired worth it
Im contemplating in my head ya if it was jamie benn and patrice bergeron kinda depth sure
But contenders dont give u that
Is the direction of ur franchise better off with ability to dress competent lineup now
Or would matthews on ur team with 3 holes in ur lineup with ability to make up for gp down the road by makinh smaller deals to get in fillers a better option?
I wanted to pick ur brain thats all
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:31 pm
by Matthew
The more unfortunate trade was boeser for nichushkin and then nichushkin heading back to Russia. There is a chance boeser beats/matches gaudreaus 3rd year college point totals in his 2nd year. Boeser is gonna be good. Hopefully nich will improve in the khl and return to the NHL in a few years to help Scott.
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:40 pm
by Fraser
Still like it for Scott
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 5:43 pm
by thom54
Fraser wroteCOLONStill like it for Scott
obviously a Canucks fan hating on Toronto!!!!
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 6:44 pm
by Fraser
Toronto is one of my favorite teams
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:44 pm
by Shoalzie
kimmer wroteCOLONMatthew wroteCOLON... Mcdavid >>> Matthews
u sure about that yet lol
one question for shoalz... do u find urself in content or regret over this deal looking back? it's interesting
Still too early to tell. This trade was a part of multiple deals over the summer to improve my team. I should the compile entire cycle just for reference sake. The big pieces that went were the #1 overall (Matthews), Subban and Sam Bennett...amongst other secondary pieces.
Off the top of my head, I ended up with Tyler Johnson, Vince Trocheck, Anders Lee, Drew Stafford, Michael Del Zotto, Justin Braun and Jason Garrison...I'm sure there's more pieces.
Jury is out is on the Nichushkin-Boeser swap...obviously, I lose until he comes back to the NHL.
If I don't do all these trades and draft Matthews, I'm short on bodies...badly. Also, I'm not going to lie...the fact I don't own my 2017 1st (traded for Mike Smith)...that played a part in wanting to add players to improve. If I still owned my '17 1st...there's a better chance I don't trade Matthews.
Re: Trade: DET-TOR
PostedCOLON Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:54 pm
by kimmer
thanks for answering and staying on topic