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Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:55 pm
by Mike
kyuss wroteCOLONas for 'trading cap space' (or kind of), here comes confirmation:

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Nice. Hope that's true.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:58 pm
by Shoalzie
That's trading actual salary...how do you even do that with us? We need the full details on that...

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:58 pm
by hong57
so what's the cap be like? sitll the same? or do i ahv to shred salary =(

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 7:59 pm
by Mike
Shoalzie wroteCOLONThat's trading actual salary...how do you even do that with us? We need the full details on that...
I'd assume it's salary and cap space, but yeah - need to wait and see.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:09 pm
by kyuss
Shoalzie wroteCOLONThat's trading actual salary...how do you even do that with us? We need the full details on that...
it's not like we need to do that anyway.. :)

and was always supposed to be cap space, that's the reason such clause would be added.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:16 pm
by armandtanzarian
Couldnt we just add placeholders for the value being moved and that value would be added or subtracted from teams total cap?

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 8:19 pm
by Mike
mr. bruin wroteCOLONCouldnt we just add placeholders for the value being moved and that value would be added or subtracted from teams total cap?
That was suggested before when discussing the possibility.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:28 pm
by Shep
I believe it's actually salary dollars and nothing towards the cap.

We'll see once there is more clarification.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:35 pm
by Phion Keneuf
I have no clue how I am on cap space. My computer broke (doesnt turn on) and CBS doesn't load on my phone. Gunna have to wait till I get a new computer/go to the library or sumthn (ya okay haha)

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Sun Jan 06, 2013 10:46 pm
by Mike
Phion Keneuf wroteCOLONI have no clue how I am on cap space. My computer broke (doesnt turn on) and CBS doesn't load on my phone. Gunna have to wait till I get a new computer/go to the library or sumthn (ya okay haha)
Here you go: http://imgur.com/a/TVX5M

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 12:30 am
by Phion Keneuf
Mike wroteCOLON
Phion Keneuf wroteCOLONI have no clue how I am on cap space. My computer broke (doesnt turn on) and CBS doesn't load on my phone. Gunna have to wait till I get a new computer/go to the library or sumthn (ya okay haha)
Here you go: http://imgur.com/a/TVX5M
Thanks a lot!

I'll be at around 37-40mill. Might be a bit off just did mental math and I'm tired as hell

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:49 am
by Shoalzie
Shep wroteCOLONI believe it's actually salary dollars and nothing towards the cap.

We'll see once there is more clarification.

That's a possibility...the cap figure is the big factor in our league so trading actually annual salary is of no value to us. The salary part is the actual amount these teams have to actually pay these guys. With the grandfathered backdiving deals, more of those contracts probably have less money on the back end compared what will be on new deals with the new variance. I wonder what kind of contracts will be involved in deals like this...I'm sure it probably has more to do with the teams rather than the actual contracts.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 2:09 pm
by Nick
If it's salary in trades it has no impact on us. However if it's cap hit (which I incorrectly assumed yesterday), it's a big deal and we will need very precise standards to keep it all straight.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:14 pm
by kyuss
there you go, unbelievers
Teams will be able to retain salary/cap hit in a trade. This will be a very complex and carefully worded portion of new CBA I'm sure.
https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/288374375911129088

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:19 pm
by Nick
we need to make sure we implement in a conservative manner.

GMs in the deal must be VERY clear on what is happening, and we need to be very clear on what is allowed.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:30 pm
by kyuss
Nick wroteCOLONwe need to make sure we implement in a conservative manner.

GMs in the deal must be VERY clear on what is happening, and we need to be very clear on what is allowed.
allowing none of that would be the clearest and most effective manner :D

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:36 pm
by Shep
kyuss wroteCOLON
Nick wroteCOLONwe need to make sure we implement in a conservative manner.

GMs in the deal must be VERY clear on what is happening, and we need to be very clear on what is allowed.
allowing none of that would be the clearest and most effective manner :D
8-)

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 3:39 pm
by Nick
Not the best option, just because something is difficult does not mean that it is not worth doing.

We are a league based on following the NHL, and IMO we should in this case as well.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 4:22 pm
by kyuss
Nick wroteCOLONNot the best option, just because something is difficult does not mean that it is not worth doing.

We are a league based on following the NHL, and IMO we should in this case as well.
it's not just because it's difficult... rather because difficult and pointless, i.e. i don't see the worth advantages to our game in adding such option.

So, at first glance, it would need to be easy as for implementation and management for me to be in favour, something that seems unlikely.

Re: Season's Back

PostedCOLON Mon Jan 07, 2013 5:26 pm
by kyuss
Under the new CBA, teams can retain salary/cap hit in a trade. Conditions to follow. #NHL

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Teams can retain salary/cap hit for up to three SPCs, to a maximum aggregate cap hit of 15 per cent of upper limit. #NHL

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Up to 50% of SPC can be retained in trade. An SPC can be traded twice with salary/cap hit retained. #NHL

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That’s about $9.6M in cap money teams can retain in trades, under a $64.3M upper limit. #NHL
wow, that is a lot :o
twice what was previously mentioned.