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It would be a good time to consider a restart with original teams, maybe look into system level goaltending, along with other things we've been wanting to look into.

But meh.

Lee wroteCOLONOn overall observation of things that matter and don't matter when they are in your favour or not.

I take it your refer to me bringing up contracts? After I just pushed aside your argument that a cheap Pirri enhances his value above that of Stastnys? It may hold some merit if Pirri was actually a strong BBKLer and contributed more than goals alone, guy is on a hot streak and is inflating his totals late in the season, doesn't make him a star. Just because I referenced a players contract as the smallest part of my argument, doesn't make me some hypocrite in incomparable scenarios.

I was going to go in depth here, but you know what, I own none of these players being discussed. So I'm just gonna keep it simple and say your offer was shit and move on.

Anton u find urself unable to strip down as quick as u used to for ur roster cuz newer guys are just smarter with player value. They won't just hop on a deal where they get e best h2h guy for shovel full of future value anymore. They think harder and put projected value on them that make then think it's not so worth it after all if the guy u get in return doesn't also have at least some upside. Simmonds is a beast but also. Hes the oldest out of them all and when does his free agency hit? Etc
Lots of. Factors to consider when doing these types

Bruyns wroteCOLONCon - Not as many GMs who like to make trades and make 30+ per season

Pro - Not as many GMs who make bad trades allowing the rich to get richer

Definitely different with the new GMs added in the last year, but I think the league is gaining a little parity.

To add to this, its interesting to see how the veteran GMs respond to the difficulty of trading their veteran players now that the league has caught on to value. Shiv, and Kareem imo left mostly because they could no longer tun over their rosters and build as quickly and successfully as they had in the past because guys were simply more aware of what was going on. Gonna force guys to take a long term approach to building a team, something that the top dogs of the past struggled with.

Fraser wroteCOLONFor the record. I'm not trading Strome.

Strome for my pick....

Sensfanjosh wroteCOLON

Bruyns wroteCOLONCon - Not as many GMs who like to make trades and make 30+ per season

Pro - Not as many GMs who make bad trades allowing the rich to get richer

Definitely different with the new GMs added in the last year, but I think the league is gaining a little parity.

To add to this, its interesting to see how the veteran GMs respond to the difficulty of trading their veteran players now that the league has caught on to value. Shiv, and Kareem imo left mostly because they could no longer tun over their rosters and build as quickly and successfully as they had in the past because guys were simply more aware of what was going on. Gonna force guys to take a long term approach to building a team, something that the top dogs of the past struggled with.

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that's a nice analysis but honestly it's just not that much fun anymore for me. i can't remember the last time i "negotiated" a trade - with this current crop of GMs it just seems like the only response is "no" and then that's it.

trading these days makes me want to pull my hair out which sucks cause it used to be the best part of this league.

anton wroteCOLONthat's a nice analysis but honestly it's just not that much fun anymore for me. i can't remember the last time i "negotiated" a trade - with this current crop of GMs it just seems like the only response is "no" and then that's it.

trading these days makes me want to pull my hair out which sucks cause it used to be the best part of this league.

just dont make blocks, keeps the anger level down IMO.

Its not like you have a bad team, you're young and can compete for years. I'd stick with what you have and keep on trucking away.

kimmer wroteCOLONAnton u find urself unable to strip down as quick as u used to for ur roster cuz newer guys are just smarter with player value. They won't just hop on a deal where they get e best h2h guy for shovel full of future value anymore. They think harder and put projected value on them that make then think it's not so worth it after all if the guy u get in return doesn't also have at least some upside. Simmonds is a beast but also. Hes the oldest out of them all and when does his free agency hit? Etc
Lots of. Factors to consider when doing these types

I think a big part of it is that we have come into the league and have seen the disparity between the teams at the top and bottom. And a resounding theme among the top teams here is incredible depth, strong prospect systems/young players in the minors, and did I mention depth? A lot of us inherited teams that lacked depth, some more than others. So how do you make a team deep? Strip it down by splitting players and bringing in prospects that will enhance their value over time allowing you to continue the process.

But if you do this and then start moving multiple assets for single pieces constantly you end up back where you started, you need to project the future value of some of these players to think what you are really giving up. Not just now, but the opportunities you are depriving yourself to further stock the cupboard down the road.

anton wroteCOLONthat's a nice analysis but honestly it's just not that much fun anymore for me. i can't remember the last time i "negotiated" a trade - with this current crop of GMs it just seems like the only response is "no" and then that's it.

trading these days makes me want to pull my hair out which sucks cause it used to be the best part of this league.

A negotiator I like this guy but I agree to an extend just hit or miss with guys depending on the day of the week

Fraser wroteCOLON

Lee wroteCOLONOn overall observation of things that matter and don't matter when they are in your favour or not.

I take it your refer to me bringing up contracts? After I just pushed aside your argument that a cheap Pirri enhances his value above that of Stastnys? It may hold some merit if Pirri was actually a strong BBKLer and contributed more than goals alone, guy is on a hot streak and is inflating his totals late in the season, doesn't make him a star. Just because I referenced a players contract as the smallest part of my argument, doesn't make me some hypocrite in incomparable scenarios.

I was going to go in depth here, but you know what, I own none of these players being discussed. So I'm just gonna keep it simple and say your offer was shit and move on.

Yeah... 82 people have 20 or more goals.. I'll let you do the math to see who is on an ELC and none of the players ahead of him have less GP. He does contribute more than goals. He has 1 hit per game, 3 shots per game.

Inflating his stats? His team is in the hunt for a playoff spot, a lot of that on the backs of Pirri and Jagr.

You're acting like he is a shit asset, ignoring what he brings to the table and you are wrong.

anton wroteCOLONthat's a nice analysis but honestly it's just not that much fun anymore for me. i can't remember the last time i "negotiated" a trade - with this current crop of GMs it just seems like the only response is "no" and then that's it.

trading these days makes me want to pull my hair out which sucks cause it used to be the best part of this league.

Negotiating a trade these days involves making an offer and being told your players are shit. Their assets are the only ones who hold value and if you don't let them rape you, a deal is not being done.

anton wroteCOLONthat's a nice analysis but honestly it's just not that much fun anymore for me. i can't remember the last time i "negotiated" a trade - with this current crop of GMs it just seems like the only response is "no" and then that's it.

trading these days makes me want to pull my hair out which sucks cause it used to be the best part of this league.

With me at least the last few times you have looked to start trade talks its been Strome++ for something. I can remember you calling on him last summer when I first took over this team and he was essentially untouchable then, and its still true today. He's just a non-starter for me and what brings the quick trade talk kills with me.

maybe it's just a changing of the guard GM-wise I'm struggling with. i dont know half the league now - give me a username and i couldnt tell you what team they run.

i used to be able to message shep, kareem, shiv, billy, steve etc. out of sheer boredom with no framework for a trade whatsoever, and in 15 minutes we'd have created a blockbuster deal. that's an element that is missing big time now in my opinion. now it feels like "work".

Less fish in the league now, of course there will be less trades. Its also going to be tougher negotiating as well. I can't say I see it as a bad thing. Frustrating at times? Sure...but I think, like someone else already mentioned, this is going to put some more emphasis on drafting and developing.

KapG wroteCOLONLess fish in the league now, of course there will be less trades. Its also going to be tougher negotiating as well. I can't say I see it as a bad thing. Frustrating at times? Sure...but I think, like someone else already mentioned, this is going to put some more emphasis on drafting and developing.

ya i really think drafting has become important in this league.

KapG wroteCOLONLess fish in the league now, of course there will be less trades. Its also going to be tougher negotiating as well. I can't say I see it as a bad thing. Frustrating at times? Sure...but I think, like someone else already mentioned, this is going to put some more emphasis on drafting and developing.

I would imagine that even without a changing of the guard this would happen to a league over time. The league matures in how to run its franchises and it starts to resemble the NHL more and more. Only naturally makes sense, there is a reason real teams are run a certain way.

I think it was Nick or Kareem who said that as long as you have NHLers, you'll always have a cup board full of prospects.

Unless that NHLer is over 25.

Just quit off season bbkl like I do. Easier this way

I think it is a good thing the new guys are tougher to deal like Fraser said. It is going to create more parity. Gm's raping new guys was such an issue that 2 week roster freeze and trade buddies had to be instated. Now those bottom feeder new gm's are actually taking positive steps to compete long term. Its better than having new guys taking over bad teams, and then making them worse due to rape or acquiring old players, and then have them quit again, and that cycle of bottom feeders continuing. More teams will be built like mik's.