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MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON

Fair Deals Steve wroteCOLONShoalzie, would you want to be on the CC?

Im not sure about a Salary cap yet, might be hard in year 1, but it's something we could certainly discuss.

Why have a salary cap? There is no cap limit in baseball, and with the new TV revenue coming in FA salaries are going through the roof.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONThe more pressing issue is this, can we find a host to seperate the two leagues (AL and NL), mimic MLB's playoff format, and somehow account for the fact that the NL doesn't use a DH.

Shoalzie wroteCOLONYeah, my assumption would be to not use salaries...not easy information to track down as you said.

If we can find contract length, we can do something with term limits...basically have free agency when a contract expires and then have an auction in the offseason. Auction amounts could carry over each year and you can win money through different rewards...winning and players winning individual awards. It's probably the only way to allow teams taking on the likes of the Astros or the Marlins to be able to improve unless they rob a team blind in some trades or they draft great prospects.

If you have a free agency auction, we can also copy the MLB system where you can lose draft picks as compensation. Any player that is non-tendered doesn't include compensation if you "sign" them. Also, you can't actually trade draft picks in baseball...only players.

I'm totally nerding out right now thinking about what all we could do...Rule 5 draft, waiver trade deadline, roster expansion late in the season, player options for the minors, the playoff system. This is going to be great!

Shoalzie wroteCOLONYeah, my assumption would be to not use salaries...not easy information to track down as you said.

If we can find contract length, we can do something with term limits...basically have free agency when a contract expires and then have an auction in the offseason. Auction amounts could carry over each year and you can win money through different rewards...winning and players winning individual awards. It's probably the only way to allow teams taking on the likes of the Astros or the Marlins to be able to improve unless they rob a team blind in some trades or they draft great prospects.

If you have a free agency auction, we can also copy the MLB system where you can lose draft picks as compensation. Any player that is non-tendered doesn't include compensation if you "sign" them. Also, you can't actually trade draft picks in baseball...only players.

I'm totally nerding out right now thinking about what all we could do...Rule 5 draft, waiver trade deadline, roster expansion late in the season, player options for the minors, the playoff system. This is going to be great!

Shoalzie wroteCOLON

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONThe more pressing issue is this, can we find a host to seperate the two leagues (AL and NL), mimic MLB's playoff format, and somehow account for the fact that the NL doesn't use a DH.

Yeah, the lineup issues will be interesting...do we have the interleague rules with the DH where the DH is only used in the AL park? Do we actually use pitchers' hitting stats? Or do we just use a full 25-man roster each week in the head-to-head?

I'd like to think you'd want to include the entire 25-man roster each week...you must have a full positional lineup (catcher, 4 infielders, 3 outfielders), a bench, a 5-man rotation and a bullpen.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI despise that idea, it devalues players with expiring contracts, and is impossible to replicate FA in any meaningful way. If lower end teams want to improve, they need to draft well, and make smart trades, same as any other team.

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONYou can under the new CBA, in fact it has already happened twice.

Is there anyway to do a regular season rotisserie league, followed by H2H in the playoffs? That would be ideal, additionally H2H baseball during the regular season is a bad idea, nothing is more meaningless and unpredictable than a baseball match-up over a one week sample size.

Shoalzie wroteCOLON

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONThe more pressing issue is this, can we find a host to seperate the two leagues (AL and NL), mimic MLB's playoff format, and somehow account for the fact that the NL doesn't use a DH.

Yeah, the lineup issues will be interesting...do we have the interleague rules with the DH where the DH is only used in the AL park? Do we actually use pitchers' hitting stats? Or do we just use a full 25-man roster each week in the head-to-head?

I'd like to think you'd want to include the entire 25-man roster each week...you must have a full positional lineup (catcher, 4 infielders, 3 outfielders), a bench, a 5-man rotation and a bullpen.

Shoalzie wroteCOLON

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONI despise that idea, it devalues players with expiring contracts, and is impossible to replicate FA in any meaningful way. If lower end teams want to improve, they need to draft well, and make smart trades, same as any other team.

If you want to match the BBKL, then you leave out free agency and just use trades, drafts and waivers. My only thing is how do we distribute the remaining unsigned veteran free agents?

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLONYou can under the new CBA, in fact it has already happened twice.

I must've missed that...what trades involved picks?

All I know is I'm not interested in a 30-round draft each year.

Is there anyway to do a regular season rotisserie league, followed by H2H in the playoffs? That would be ideal, additionally H2H baseball during the regular season is a bad idea, nothing is more meaningless and unpredictable than a baseball match-up over a one week sample size.

That's an interesting idea...wouldn't have to worry about regular season schedules that way. But baseball has a long regular season so you'd think the right teams will be the best teams if we did H2H all season.

You'd still want to keep the leagues and divisions as is and then use the MLB 10-team playoffs with H2H as you said.

Fair Deals Steve wroteCOLONFor the starting rotations this is what i was thinking : "you must have a full positional lineup (catcher, 4 infielders, 3 outfielders), a bench, a 5-man rotation and a bullpen." Maybe add 1 DH for AL and include all stats for pitchers in the NL? so their batting stats count?

Shoalzie wroteCOLONI must've missed that...what trades involved picks?

All I know is I'm not interested in a 30-round draft each year.

Now that Major League Baseball has gone through its first Draft and signing period under the new rules of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, it's time to move on to the next phase of the new system: the Competitive Balance Lottery.

The lottery, scheduled to take place Wednesday at 1:30 p.m. ET in New York, is a mechanism designed to help teams perceived to need the most assistance by awarding extra Draft picks to some of them. The 10 smallest-market teams and 10 lowest-revenue teams will have the chance to win one of six extra selections in the 2013 First-Year Player Draft.

Those half-dozen picks will be made at the conclusion of the first round, following the compensation selections. Because there is obvious crossover between those two groups, there are 13 teams entered into the first-round lottery: the D-backs, Orioles, Indians, Royals, A's, Pirates, Padres, Rays, Reds, Rockies, Marlins, Brewers and Cardinals. The odds of winning a Draft pick will be based on each team's winning percentage in the previous season.

There will be a second group of six picks, to be made after the conclusion of the second round. The teams from the first group that did not get one of the early picks will be re-entered, along with any other Major League team that receives revenue sharing. This year, only one team -- the Tigers -- will be added to the second lottery. The Competitive Balance Lottery winners and the order of their picks will be unveiled on MLB Network's "The Rundown" at 2:45 p.m. ET.

"[We just finished] off the first Draft with the new CBA," Pirates assistant general manager Greg Smith said. "No club, no scouting director, no scout had gone through that landscape [before]. The Competitive Balance picks will be the same thing. Clubs value Draft picks and the ability to have them, to add to them, even to trade them. As you try to acquire talent through the Draft or if you're trying to improve the big league club, then the picks become a part of that process."

Smith brought up one of the more intriguing aspects of this new process -- the picks that come out of it are commodities. For the first time in Major League history, Draft picks can be dealt. But there are a series of conditions and limitations regarding such transactions.

Only a team that wins a pick in the lottery can trade it, meaning that selection can be traded just once. It can't be sold for cash, and it may only be dealt during the season. Trading can commence the day after the lottery is held and is allowed until the end of that regular season. So seeing a lottery pick or two involved in some July 31 Trade Deadline deals is a possibility. They cannot be included in any Winter Meetings deals, however, with trading of picks again permitted at the beginning of the following regular season.

So the Pirates, or any team that might be involved in Deadline deals this month, can use a pick they receive in this lottery in their trade negotiations. How the picks are valued might vary from team to team, and trying to get a sense of their worth in an open market definitely falls under the "to be determined" category, but it does add something to the trading landscape.

"With us battling trying to stay on top, now in our efforts to improve the club, how do you factor [the picks] in? I think you do," Smith said. "It's going to be interesting because it's something that hasn't been there. There's potential for it to be a part of the overall dialogue as we get closer [to the Deadline]. It's a new twist.

"Some clubs value those differently. Some clubs might put a higher value on those types of picks than other teams, who might rather have a known player. But it adds to the intrigue."

Shoalzie wroteCOLONThat's an interesting idea...wouldn't have to worry about regular season schedules that way. But baseball has a long regular season so you'd think the right teams will be the best teams if we did H2H all season.

You'd still want to keep the leagues and divisions as is and then use the MLB 10-team playoffs with H2H as you said.

bills09 wroteCOLONwhy not just run all teams with a DH is that not possible?

MSP4LYFE wroteCOLON

bills09 wroteCOLONwhy not just run all teams with a DH is that not possible?

Because only half of MLB employs a DH, therefore there are not enough DH's for all 30 teams.

Shoalzie wroteCOLONTo be fair, there will be interleague play all season now that there is an even 15-15 split in the AL and NL...we'll see the NL playing with a DH throughout the season when they're in AL parks. I think we either have to use it for everyone or we don't. However, if we don't use the DH...you're hurting half the league who has a quality DH (Ortiz, Martinez, et al) and if you use pitcher batting stats, you're hurting the other half of the league. We have to have one way or the other.

My vote is that every uses a 9th hitter (DH or UTIL) and we just let pitchers be pitchers. Pitchers only hurt hitting stats unless we're doing roto where it'll all even out in the end. I think most teams are capable of playing one extra hitter every week. This is probably the best argument for roto since weekly, a team might be at a disadvantage because most of their team may not be involved in games with a DH...namely, all the NL teams.